Delta plane flips over while landing in Toronto

[putnam6]

The media is the worst possible source for information on aircraft accidents. The report will show what happened.

I was about to say the media?

I enjoy the Flight Radar24 blog

[quintessentone]

The media is the worst possible source for information on aircraft accidents. The report will show what happened.

By media I mean pilots with 20-30,000 flying hours.

[Zaphod58]

By media I mean pilots with 20-30,000 flying hours.

Still speculation. There are many factors that can't be seen in videos that could have played a role that we won't know until the TSB gets a lot more in depth.

[quintessentone]

Still speculation. There are many factors that can't be seen in videos that could have played a role that we won't know until the TSB gets a lot more in depth.

So far, one 20,000 flight hours and one 30,000 flight hours pilots both agree on pilot error not correcting properly for a crosswind and no flare, but sure, there may be other factors to consider.

[quintessentone]

And now for the humanity aspect (adrenalin, stress, trauma and near death experience of the passengers - all worth $30,000 USD each? I think not).

The interview with a passenger/helper/paramedic literally hours after the crash:

[Zaphod58]

So far, one 20,000 flight hours and one 30,000 flight hours pilots both agree on pilot error not correcting properly for a crosswind and no flare, but sure, there may be other factors to consider.

A CRJ should have been able to handle that landing. There’s no one factor that’s ever the cause of an accident outside suicide.

[quintessentone]

A CRJ should have been able to handle that landing. There’s no one factor that’s ever the cause of an accident outside suicide.

I agree, that's why I never said there was one factor, nor did the pilots I parroted.

[Zaphod58]

The EGPWS alert for excessive sink rate sounded 2.6 seconds before impact with the runway. Their IAS was 136 knots, with a ground speed of 111 knots, with a sink rate of 1100 fpm. The bank angle increased to 4.7 degrees right bank, with an N1 of 43%. At touch down the landing gear folded into the retracted position due to the side stay breaking, allowing the gear to fold, and the wing separated releasing a cloud of fuel that ignited. There was a sudden increase in speed just before touch down, consistent with a wind gust.

[quintessentone]

There were wind gusts all day at that airport and it appears the Delta plane crew were informed of that fact, so from the preliminary report in the link below, it appears the crew did not compensate landing speed for potential wind gusts, is that what I am understanding?
 

At 2 p.m, winds were gusting to 35 knots in the area, the report said. After flight crew received clearance to land at Runway 23 at Pearson airport, they flew the approach at 149 knots, "given the reported wind gusts," it said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/p...-1.7488494

[Zaphod58]

There were wind gusts all day at that airport and it appears the Delta plane crew were informed of that fact, so from the preliminary report in the link below, it appears the crew did not compensate landing speed for potential wind gusts, is that what I am understanding?
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/p...-1.7488494

All aircraft are advised of wind direction, sustained speed, and gusts when they’re cleared to land, as well as when they check the weather before the flight, so they were aware of the gusts.