Definition of 'woman'.

[RazorV66]

No.
A person can look at a tree and have the opinion that it's a cow.
But that doesn't change the reality that it's a tree.

Back in the old days, they would commit that person to a mental institution.

And rightfully so.

[David64]

Of course, people's opinions matter, Flyers.

Reality is interpreted through human perception.

Facts need interpretation, because decisions rely on values.

Opinions shape our laws and ethics.

Ignoring them doesn't reveal the truth.

It blinds you to how reality is understood.

Hold up.

Perception doesn't take the place of facts, otherwise we could could all just Newton to go get stuffed. There are facts that are not debatable.

No matter what you do, no surgeries, no hormone replacements or medical intervention is going to change the fact that someone is born male or female.

[andy06shake]

Back in the old days, they would commit that person to a mental institution.

And rightfully so.

Slavery, human zoos, public executions, witch hunts, child labour, and lynching.

Were also things they used to do in the "old days."

And in the likes of those Asylums, well, the same place mentally ill people were chained, beaten, and neglected.

[ANNEE]

Does any of that change basic biology ?

Does any of that change the DNA, bone structure, muscle mass, fat distribution or the ability of women to NATURALLY produce milk for offspring, the ability to carry a child in the womb or even have the organs to become pregnant ?

Your choice of position does not interest me. 

We all know what this is about — due to certain posters making multiple threads circling around gender. 

I choose the right of the individual to define themself.

[RazorV66]

Slavery, human zoos, public executions, witch hunts, child labour, and lynching.

Were also things they used to do in the "old days."

And in the likes of those Asylums.

Same place mentally ill people were chained, beaten, and neglected you mean?

Anyone that thinks that a tree is a cow, is not completely stable.

Would you disagree?

[andy06shake]

Hold up.

Perception doesn't take the place of facts, otherwise we could could all just Newton to go get stuffed. There are facts that are not debatable.

No matter what you do, no surgeries, no hormone replacements or medical intervention is going to change the fact that someone is born male or female.

 
Im not suggesting it does.

And i agree.

But Flyers would have us believe all lefties and democrats cannot define a woman.

And that's just not true.

None of which changes the fact that our perception shapes our values.

Even if it doesn't change reality.

[RazorV66]

I choose the right of the individual to define themself.

I agree with you, be who you want to be.

But having said that, nothing changes the fact there are only 2 biological sexes.

The rest are fiction.

[andy06shake]

Anyone that thinks that a tree is a cow, is not completely stable.

Would you disagree?

No.

But that doesn't mean that all people on the left or democrats cannot define a woman.

Would you disagree?

[RazorV66]

No.

But that doesn't mean that all people on the left or democrats cannot define a woman.

Would you disagree?

No.

But I have not seen any of them make a stand against the ones that cannot define a woman.


Maybe Fetterman has said something about it, not sure.

[David64]

Your choice of position does not interest me. 

We all know what this is about — due to certain posters making multiple threads circling around gender. 

I choose the right of the individual to define themself.

Of course it doesn't, because you can't refute the argument.

That does not change reality.

I am a White man, 5'9" 180 lbs...can I identify as a Black man who is 6" 5'  and expect people to acknowledge that and be treated as such....or just think I'm delusional ?