Conspiracy Realism.

[Karl12]

Interesting chat about 'conspiracy realism' and 'State Crimes Against Democracies' taken from Lance deHaven-Smith's book 'Conspiracy Theory in America' (free E-Book link below).


Video / E-Book

[quintessentone]

I absolutely believe in conspiracy realism by greedy corporations and politicians who want to keep control and power over the masses any which way they can.

Here's an interesting video from the early days about the suppression of inventions and inventors (perhaps one was assassinated) detailing the invention of a cancerless cigarette, free energy, anti-gravity forces realized, the first EV car by GM and more, where government and corporations stepped in to stop any interference with certain industries and stop the progress of free power for the people, or the any veering away from fossil fuels.




Ford developed a hemp car with cannabis seed fuel. Imagine having the means to pump the car's exhaust into the cab at will for a hit (not Ford's idea but mine).

[SurferSoul]

If someone isn’t open minded enough to at least consider alternate trains of thought or perspective it’s just not worth your time to try and educate them.

I agree, however there are so many people who know nothing other than the MSM propaganda.  
The OP does a noble job of providing a non biased, non paid for, account of what the bought and paid for won’t provide. 
That takes effort and dedication, I take my hat off to him.

[imitator]

Here is one for conspiracy realism... and for someone who believes in government.

The US government was literally killing people for drinking!

The US government once poisoned alcohol to get people to stop drinking

[UltraBudgie]

Here is one for conspiracy realism... and for someone who believes in government.

The US government was literally killing people for drinking!

The US government once poisoned alcohol to get people to stop drinking

[Video: https://youtu.be/bKKjWyOtyTg?si=iuL1DDMljQqsQkcq]

[Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmi...cheers.gif]

oh and also they did something similiar with weed too

>> did us government spray parakeets on marjuana crops to poison it

GPT-4o mini

Yes, there is a historical context to this claim. In the 1970s, the U.S. government did conduct experiments involving the use of herbicides and pesticides on marijuana crops. One of the more infamous methods involved the use of a chemical called paraquat, which is toxic to humans and animals.

The idea was to destroy illegal marijuana crops, but there were reports that this led to unintended consequences, including the potential harm to wildlife, such as birds. However, the specific claim about spraying parakeets on marijuana crops is more of an urban legend or exaggeration rather than a documented practice.

The use of paraquat and similar chemicals has been controversial due to health concerns and environmental impact. If you're looking for more detailed or specific information, please let me know!

this was mostly done by mexico but supported by usa who were looking for ways to incapacitate american pothippies:

By 1969, marijuana eradication had also become a priority of the Nixon White House, and Government scientists began the search for a herbicide that would dramatically reduce the Mexican supply — or incapacitate American smokers (a spray to make smokers nauseous was synthesized in 1969, but not used). The recommendations of the 1969 Task Force on Narcotics Traffic seemed more fruitful: an expanded poppy and marijuana eradication program, the development of electronic sensory technology to detect the illicit fields, and the aerial spraying of those fields with herbicides. In 1970, the United States gave Mexico five helicopters and three airplanes to initiate a...

https://www.nytimes.com/1978/11/19/archi...aquat.html

[Karl12]

I absolutely believe in conspiracy realism by greedy corporations and politicians who want to keep control and power over the masses any which way they can.

So do I mate and I think people would be extremely foolish not to - thanks for the video on invention suppression and appreciate the other member posts on sanctioned poisoning etc..

Following on from this post involving sometimes horrific CIA / Rockefeller funded MKUltra 'experiments' on military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children (all without consent)..

There's also this two decade period where the US Gov tested chemical warfare agents on its own troops to find a way to 'incapacitate humans'.

Remember when the Nazis committed terrible human experiments on their prisoners? Remember how many of those scientists were sent to the United States to escape their fates in Europe? Well, the Army sure doesn’t want you to because then you might start remembering how they used those same people at Edgewood Arsenal. In a dark period of history for the Army, there was a two-decade period where the Edgewood experiments tested Soldiers by drugging them with numerous substances without their consent or the care for their well-being.

The Edgewood Arsenal human experiments took place between 1955 and 1975. They occurred at a classified US Army facility, exposing around 7,000 Soldiers to more than 250 chemicals.Many of those administering the experiments at Edgewood Arsenal under the direction of Dr. James Ketchum, who had ties to Nazi Germany.

Doc:




Cheers.

[quintessentone]

So do I mate and I think people would be extremely foolish not to - thanks for the video on invention suppression and appreciate the other member posts on sanctioned poisoning etc..

Following on from this post involving sometimes horrific CIA / Rockefeller funded MKUltra 'experiments' on military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children (all without consent)..

There's also this two decade period where the US Gov tested chemical warfare agents on its own troops to find a way to 'incapacitate humans'.





Doc:

[Video: https://youtu.be/XSq_qt5zy6I]

Cheers.

I think one reason that government, military and corporations could get away with so much is that a greater number of the population were less educated and didn't ask questions. At least, that's my take on it while growing up in the 1950s and 60s and even into the 80s...remember how most people reacted to those who first contracted HIV/AIDS at that time? Most protesting by people was met with demonization, violence and/or incarceration.

AI:
"Peaceful protesters have sometimes faced excessive force and unlawful treatment from law enforcement, including unnecessary dispersal tactics, excessive force, and arrests based on vague laws. Some examples include police throwing protesters to the ground and physically restraining them, even if they were not engaged in any wrongdoing."

We've seen law enforcement use excessive force on peaceful protesters recently.

Even our air, water, soil, food and drink was not safe from chemicals (Monsanto), poisons, radiation, and/or addictive drugs from the greed and stupidity of those given unchallenged power.

AI:

"Pemberton's recipe contained cocaine in the form of an extract of the coca leaf, which inspired the “Coca” part of the beverage's name. The “Cola” comes from the kola nut (which contains caffeine, another stimulant). When Coca-Cola was invented, cocaine was legal and a common ingredient in medicines."

"The transit of an air mass containing radioactive gas released from the Three Mile Island reactor was recorded in Albany, New York, by measuring xenon-133. These measurements provide an evaluation of Three Mile Island effluents to distances greater than 100 kilometers."

"Monsanto has faced numerous lawsuits related to its Roundup herbicide, primarily alleging that the product causes cancer and that Monsanto failed to adequately warn users about the risks. The lawsuits have resulted in significant financial settlements and a major class action proceeding in Canada."

"On May 23, 2019, a motion for authorization to institute a class action against the manufacturers, marketers or distributors of opioid drugs was filed. The Class Action seeks to compensate every person who suffers or has suffered from opioid use disorder following the use of prescription opioids."

"Can heavy metals in baby food harm my baby?The low levels of heavy metals found in baby foods likely are a relatively small part of a child's overall toxic metal exposure risk. However, exposure from all sources should be minimized. Toxic metal exposure can be harmful to the developing brain. It's been linked to problems with learning, cognition and behavior. But keep in mind that many genetic, social, and environment factors influence healthy brain development, and toxic metal exposure is just one of these factors.
How do heavy metals like lead and arsenic get into foods?Metals are found naturally in the Earth's crust. They also are released into our environment as pollution and get into the water and soil used to grow food. Metals can also get into food from food manufacturing and packaging. Some of the most common metals that get into food include inorganic arsenic, lead, cadmium and mercury."

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/...-Food.aspx

I could go on and on and on (I haven't even mentioned plastics pollution) with us being poisoned for decades with no effective oversight of companies' disregard for anything else but profit and perhaps buying off politicians (?)

[Karl12]

I think one reason that government, military and corporations could get away with so much is that a greater number of the population were less educated and didn't ask questions. At least, that's my take on it while growing up in the 1950s and 60s and even into the 80s..

Yes mate probably a lot of people back in those days would abjectly refuse to believe what was really going on (and we are now probably only aware of 1% of it).

Here's more on the crimes of the CIA's Allen Dulles and Sidney Gottlieb working with Paperclip Nazi scientists to poison American citizens.








God knows how bad the situation is these days but would wager large swathes of the younger generations simply wouldn't give a toss (programmed apathy?).

Cheers.

[SurferSoul]

You know this is great stuff, a most excellent compilation! However while it’s great for people who are already conspiracy theorists of one sort or another. 

It’s not as you suggest for someone new to this stuff! It will blow their mind to hell and back and they will, well who knows but a more gentle softer approach is needed. Baby steps mate, baby steps. 

[Karl12]

You know this is great stuff, a most excellent compilation! However while it’s great for people who are already conspiracy theorists of one sort or another. 

It’s not as you suggest for someone new to this stuff! It will blow their mind to hell and back and they will, well who knows but a more gentle softer approach is needed. Baby steps mate, baby steps. 

Tried my best mate - thought this lot was pretty tame really.

Can't remember who said it but always liked the quote 'Brutal honesty is better than gentle deception'.

Anyway here's that deleted image from the first line of the first post:


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Cheers.