Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[SomeStupidName]

I do want to understand conservatism, that's why I'm here. I specifically went looking for conservative-dominated online forums because I want to talk to conservatives. I've learned a lot since, both about conservatism and about myself. I would in fact recommend it to everyone (with thick skin).

okay, I'll take your word on that.

[sahgwa]

I get the sentiment but there are limits. By this same logic, we should have heard Hitler out (the Germans did, unfortunately). When we characterize the entire other side of the political spectrum as a death cult full of hatred, there's no chance for a real conversation anymore because we're not living in reality.

If liberalism is a death cult, what sort of measures to combat it would we support? This quickly gets dangerous. Civil war territory. These kinds of takes should be forcefully and unequivocally denounced.

This is part of what leads me to believe the Kirk shooting smells more like a divisive attempt by the GOV and a patsy shooter,  than a true Liberal Shooting.  However , Torba is not wrong that Kirk tried dialogue, and he got shot for it.  And with the large swathe of the Progressive Left celebrating his death, just like they 'played' with beheading Trump etc, ....
What kind of message does that send, especially if it was supposedly done by a Liberal/Progressive? 
So much for ostensibly trying for a conversation.

But this shooting seems a bit forward for a 20 something so called liberal kid to pull off. too neat. somethings off. 

I dont believe he was shot from the back though. no exit wound so neat and small.

[Ignorant]

https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Societa...rican-left

It got a bit long.

Looking forward to your response(s).

[putnam6]

This is part of what leads me to believe the Kirk shooting smells more like a divisive attempt by the GOV and a patsy shooter,  than a true Liberal Shooting.  However , Torba is not wrong that Kirk tried dialogue, and he got shot for it.  And with the large swathe of the Progressive Left celebrating his death, just like they 'played' with beheading Trump etc, ....
What kind of message does that send, especially if it was supposedly done by a Liberal/Progressive? 
So much for ostensibly trying for a conversation.

But this shooting seems a bit forward for a 20 something so called liberal kid to pull off. too neat. somethings off. 

I dont believe he was shot from the back though. no exit wound so neat and small.

So it's a vast right-wing conspiracy, and the right-wing PTB decides to off one of the major reasons the right wing won the Presidency and has the majority now.

WHY? 

I get we have feelings there's a lot here to go hmmm about, but on the surface, Charlie was helping the right's cause and there's no way of telling how removing him doesn't go chaotically out of control




Gonna need ....

[sahgwa]

So it's a vast right-wing conspiracy, and the right-wing PTB decides to off one of the major reasons the right wing won the Presidency and has the majority now.

WHY? 

I get we have feelings there's a lot here to go hmmm about, but on the surface, Charlie was helping the right's cause and there's no way of telling how removing him doesn't go chaotically out of control


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Gonna need ....

[Video: https://youtu.be/t4QK8RxCAwo?si=kxRMamDPsMIANBkF]

That's not what I said, nor meant at all, so apologies if that's where my post led you.
IF Kirk was taken out by the GOV then it was by the entrenched Deep State represented by the CIA largely and NSA to a lesser degree, who have no allegiances to either political spectrum , but merely to keeping the status quo, which is social division, hive herd mind, and tribalism for divide conquer and control.
sabe?

[putnam6]

That's not what I said, nor meant at all, so apologies if that's where my post led you.
IF Kirk was taken out by the GOV then it was by the entrenched Deep State represented by the CIA largely and NSA to a lesser degree, who have no allegiances to either political spectrum , but merely to keeping the status quo, which is social division, hive herd mind, and tribalism for divide conquer and control.
sabe?

I wasn't sure, and probably could have worded it better...

Just needed clarification...

In other words, this rogue faction sounds like  Eisenhower's MIC version 65.5

And it plays both ends just to spur enough chaos for profit?

[sahgwa]

I wasn't sure, and probably could have worded it better...

Just needed clarification...

In other words, this rogue faction sounds like  Eisenhower's MIC version 65.5

And it plays both ends just to spur enough chaos for profit?

Not just profit but control.
We are at the lowest point of trust in institutions, let alone government, in history.
COVID blew open any remaining trust that normal people had.
If anyone generally trusts the government, or medical establishment, or even police or military implicitly, they are not paying attention.
We saw that people are not only stupider, they are more prone to fear and zombie like behaviour, just following orders even if it is literally inhuman or illogical orders and actions.
So it stands to reason that the GOV needs to keep a tight lid on anyone trying to foment more Revolution and Unity against the Fed and status quo, and keep the division going.  
They fear the loss of the current corrupt Fed power structure, which most people agree as a whole is broken.

If Left and Right and normy unite against the Fed they are done. 

Which is why the brainwashing and violence is so wide spread now. A lot of it is a defense mechanism. 

If you work in government or especially have an Intelligence mindset, it's very obvious what's happening.  It's not even ideological.


“When did all this “writing own motives on bullets” thing start? I feel like this was extremely rare before like…a month ago. I see no reason whatsoever to take any of those at face value. Call it overcompensating, but I smell a lot of false flag ops rather than a sudden new streak of mental illnesses all playing out with the exact same calling card. But what do I know, I’m just a citizen.”

[Maxmars]

Activism, and activism-follies, are being hyper-presented in the news cycle... (yawn.)

None of this is "new".... it's only reported as "new - intriguing - and, seen in a new light."

(PS - That "new light" they refer to is what amateur "conspiracy theorists" get vilified for ...)

[putnam6]

Not just profit but control.
We are at the lowest point of trust in institutions, let alone government, in history.
COVID blew open any remaining trust that normal people had.
If anyone generally trusts the government, or medical establishment, or even police or military implicitly, they are not paying attention.
We saw that people are not only stupider, they are more prone to fear and zombie like behaviour, just following orders even if it is literally inhuman or illogical orders and actions.
So it stands to reason that the GOV needs to keep a tight lid on anyone trying to foment more Revolution and Unity against the Fed and status quo, and keep the division going.  
They fear the loss of the current corrupt Fed power structure, which most people agree as a whole is broken.

If Left and Right and normy unite against the Fed they are done. 

Which is why the brainwashing and violence is so wide spread now. A lot of it is a defense mechanism. 

If you work in government or especially have an Intelligence mindset, it's very obvious what's happening.  It's not even ideological.


“When did all this “writing own motives on bullets” thing start? I feel like this was extremely rare before like…a month ago. I see no reason whatsoever to take any of those at face value. Call it overcompensating, but I smell a lot of false flag ops rather than a sudden new streak of mental illnesses all playing out with the exact same calling card. But what do I know, I’m just a citizen.”

You know, I agree with many of your points here; it's just a matter of degree. A couple of articles that seem germane



https://www.historynet.com/ancient-ammunition-messages/
 

 
FROM ROCKS TO BOMBS: EVEN IN ANCIENT TIMES, SOLDIERS WROTE MESSAGES ON AMMUNITIONTaunting messages were used on ancient slingshot bullets—a tradition soldiers have kept alive ever since.

 https://time.com/7320356/bullet-inscript...ealthcare/

 
Why are these inscriptions now being used in high-profile shootings?Like inscribing shell casings, communicating messages in connection with high-profile acts of violence has a long history. But those messages have more commonly come in the form of manifestos or notes.
Theodore Kaczynski, the domestic terrorist known as the Unabomber who carried out a string of bombings over the course of nearly two decades starting in the late 1970s, left behind a lengthy manifesto railing against “industrial society.”
Read more: Revisit TIME’s Unabomber Cover Story More Than 20 Years Later
In another prominent case, Anders Breivik sent out a manifesto over 1,000 pages that detailed a far-right ideology and copied passages from Kaczynski’s manifesto before he killed 77 people in an attack in Norway in 2011.
Eight years later, Brenton Tarrant killed 51 people in two separate shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, after hereleased a more than 80-page manifesto filled with anti-Muslim, extremist language. The manifesto is now illegal to possess in New Zealand.
Engraving smaller messages into munitions isn’t entirely without precedent, though it hasn’t been documented with anywhere near the same frequency. In addition to his manifesto, Kaczynski also inscribed the letters “FC” into parts of his bombs. He later explained the letters stood for “Freedom Club.”
Pumerantz suggests that the inscription of the bullet casings in the recent cases  “seems to be a way of leaving a memory, leaving a marker behind as a means of sending the message, knowing that it's going to be recovered by law enforcement.”
The suspected shooters, he speculates, may be seeing the small space on cartridge casings as the only platform to express their anger or frustration—a platform “they know will deliver the aggression.”
He worries that the virality of the messages left behind on casings, as they have been publicized during investigations, increases the likelihood that this practice will be adopted by others.
“It's a way of almost trademarking what they're doing,” Pumerantz says. “And I think that you'll see a lot of copycats. I think we're going to see a proliferation of marked casings in these types of situations.”
Joseph K. Young, a political violence expert at the University of Kentucky, tells TIME that the engraved casings might be viewed as a “mini manifesto.” But he says they present challenges for law enforcement trying to find and convict perpetrators in ongoing man-hunts. In the case of Robinson, the suspect in the Kirk shooting, his messaging was “more gamer than it was political,” says Young.
In the past well-known cases of targeted violence where perpetrators left behind high volumes of political messages, including in the form of lengthy manifestos, the motives for the crimes were much clearer. There were thousands of words to draw from. But Young says the smaller inscriptions on bullets could be harder to make sense of.  
“Sometimes those messages aren't completely coherent and it's not totally clear what someone's trying to say. And that's challenging, both for investigators and scholars and observers … At some level, that's troubling, because then it's harder for us to understand where these messages are being sent and then where people are getting radicalized.”
Speaking about the recent shootings, Thomas Zeitzoff, a professor of criminology at American University, says the motives of what he characterized as radicalized “lone actors” are less clear based on the scant messaging they leave behind. 
“You get this weird kind of salad bar extremism,” Zeitzoff tells TIME, in part due to the vast access to online forums expressing different ideologies. “I think that's like, especially with lone actors. The motive is not always going to be clear.”

[putnam6]

Not just profit but control.
We are at the lowest point of trust in institutions, let alone government, in history.
COVID blew open any remaining trust that normal people had.
If anyone generally trusts the government, or medical establishment, or even police or military implicitly, they are not paying attention.
We saw that people are not only stupider, they are more prone to fear and zombie like behaviour, just following orders even if it is literally inhuman or illogical orders and actions.
So it stands to reason that the GOV needs to keep a tight lid on anyone trying to foment more Revolution and Unity against the Fed and status quo, and keep the division going.  
They fear the loss of the current corrupt Fed power structure, which most people agree as a whole is broken.

If Left and Right and normy unite against the Fed they are done. 

Which is why the brainwashing and violence is so wide spread now. A lot of it is a defense mechanism. 

If you work in government or especially have an Intelligence mindset, it's very obvious what's happening.  It's not even ideological.


“When did all this “writing own motives on bullets” thing start? I feel like this was extremely rare before like…a month ago. I see no reason whatsoever to take any of those at face value. Call it overcompensating, but I smell a lot of false flag ops rather than a sudden new streak of mental illnesses all playing out with the exact same calling card. But what do I know, I’m just a citizen.”

 Watch the video at the link... I'd like to see this from other angles... but it makes me go hmm, could be AI FAIK 

thoughts



https://x.com/TheIntelSCIF/status/1971222139224121384