Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[Oldcarpy2]

In Country Freedom index, Finland is currently the most free country. New Zealand is coming in at third best. Australia is coming in at 22nd from the top, the United Kingdom is coming in at 28th from the top and the USA is way down the list at 48th place.

Freedom in the World by Country

In incarceration statistics, the United Kingdom has 139 incarcerated per 100,000. Australia has 162 incarcerated per 100,000. New Zealand has 185 incarcerated per 100,000. However the USA has 541 incarcerated per 100,000 which is more than 3 times the incarceration rate of Australia and the 5th highest imprisoner by rate of population, in the world.

Incarceration Rates by Country 2025

The facts would indicate that by measurable statistics, Australia is not a police state, and that the USA is a police state.

Oh you, and your...facts?  

[FlyersFan]

 However the USA has 541 incarcerated per 100,000 which is more than 3 times the incarceration rate of Australia and the 5th highest imprisoner by rate of population, in the world.   ....   The facts would indicate that .... the USA is a police state.

Nope.   There is a difference in demographics.    I won't get into it since it's not the topic.   Leave it to say we have a different demographic problem than Europe or Australia ... we have certain populations that those countries don't have and those populations have higher crime rates.   Doesn't make us a 'police state'.

[David64]

We aren't sleepwalking into an authoritarian State.

No, you're putting people in prison for something they said on the internet, while ignoring gang rape and grooming gangs from the Middle East because you're afraid of being called a racist.

You're more worried about being labeled than protecting your own children.

If you're going to start pointing fingers, start with your own country.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/20...dRapeGangs

The whole nation is shocked by the rape gangs scandal. Thousands of young teenage girls were systematically raped over years by men of predominantly Pakistani heritage—girls such as Jane, who was repeatedly gang raped at the age of just 12. The police found her being abused by an illegal immigrant, but instead of arresting the illegal immigrant, they arrested her. That is sick. The last Government took action by setting up the wider Jay inquiry and the grooming gangs taskforce, but the truth is that that is not enough.
 
There is now clear evidence that those in authority covered up these rapes because the perpetrators were mainly of Pakistani heritage. Last week, I met retired Detective Chief Inspector John Piekos. In Bradford, he witnessed the abuse of a young girl in a car, but he was then instructed by a chief superintendent to drop the matter in order to avoid antagonising Bradford’s Muslim community. Covering up the rape of young girls for that reason is one of the most immoral things I have ever heard, yet not a single person—not one—has ever been held to account for these cover-ups.

[Oldcarpy2]

No, you're putting people in prison for something they said on the internet, while ignoring gang rape and grooming gangs from the Middle East because you're afraid of being called a racist.

You're more worried about being labeled than protecting your own children.

If you're going to start pointing fingers, start with your own country.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/20...dRapeGangs

Who is in prison?

[David64]

Don't feign ignorance, I've talked to you many times and know you're a smart man.


https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news...ensorship/

[Oldcarpy2]

Don't feign ignorance, I've talked to you many times and know you're a smart man.


https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news...ensorship/

Arrested does not mean "imprisoned".

Deny Ignorance.

[sahgwa]

I don't really see what a Canadian poster's personal location, Britain's systematic ignoring of immigrant crime and failure to imprison a lot of them, or Finland not feeling like putting people in jail has anything to do with either a country's 'freedom' index or with Charlie Kirk.  
This off topic bickering is really silly. It makes the thread hard to read too. OK I am out.

[Ignorant]

Nope.   There is a difference in demographics.    I won't get into it since it's not the topic.   Leave it to say we have a different demographic problem than Europe or Australia ... we have certain populations that those countries don't have and those populations have higher crime rates.   Doesn't make us a 'police state'.

Brown populations?

[David64]

Arrested does not mean "imprisoned".

Deny Ignorance.

Don't play semantics. It's unbecoming in a man of your intelligence.

[chr0naut]

This was discussed, in part

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...014820.png]

If you define all acts of violence by right-wing extremists as 'fringe crazies' and then remove them from the data you are using, all you are left with are the rest, who are not right-wing extremists. This would also skew the data somewhat.

But, by Musk's own admission, he was off his tree on ketamine, so, how much credence can you put into some graph which includes no actual numerical amounts (what exactly is a 'total violence rate' and 'combined violence rate', and how are they different?) and no source information.

In FBI figures, mainstream party affiliation does not seem to have any correlation at all with violent crime.

But since 2016, 75%-80% of US domestic terrorism deaths have been perpetrated by far-right extremists. These facts are supported by government and independent analysis of the statistics. In fact, in 2024 there were no deaths from the actions of Islamicist or left-wing domestic terror perpetrators. All such domestic terrorism deaths in that year were from far-right perpetrators.

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States