Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[Moon68]

I was a member of ATS for 18 years -- and a lurker for 2 years prior.

Yes, there are conspiracies.

I just don't think this one is.  I think it's exactly what it looks like.

UH.....UMMMMM

FUCK! I have to agree with you.

[ANNEE]

But, when half or over have of that ideology are, not only okay with but promote political violence, are they really radicals or has violence become an integral part of their platform?

Where do you come up with half?

"Squeaky Wheel" kind of thing. 

"If it bleeds it leads"

[putnam6]

I don’t think it’s ever smart to blame a broad group of people for the actions of one psychopath.

There are going to be people who lean a certain way while not still fitting into a group. I think that’s important to remember. Just like the right can have nationalists, but don’t have to own white nationalists or outright Nazis. Some of them commit acts of violence, but I don’t think we should say “this was the republicans”.

Ive seen some people celebrating and posting distasteful memes on X, and that’s disgusting. But I don’t think all the claims of celebration are that. I think some people have opinions about Kirk, and just because he’s gone, and died to horrific violence doesn’t mean they can’t have opinions. Is it distasteful to be so vocal about it now? Probably. Is that new? Nope. I remember the threads on ATS when prominent public figures died.

I agree with you this is a big moment for the right to consolidate support and unify their party. But their reactions are going to have a big part in that. If the right overreacts, it could push people away too.

People tend to forget elections are usually won by capturing third party and independent/swing votes… Rallying your base is certainly important to make sure they don’t stay home, but capturing those outside your party is more important IMO.

As if white nationalists and nazis are a comparable segment of the population to the percentage of the left gleefully enjoying the past week...or the segment that believes violence is justified...

FFS, It's not even close, CS...

5 NFL teams declined a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk every one of them in a blue city....

Why, because they know it would piss off a huge segment of politicians and the public in their zip code.

[Moon68]

Where do you come up with half?

"Squeaky Wheel" kind of thing. 

"If it bleeds it leads"

It was in the Rutgers study I posted.

Over half of those who self-identified as left of center
(56%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justified, similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships. This
includes 14.1% who said this murder would be “Completely Justified.” Similarly, half (50.2%) of those
who self-identified as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justified (or
greater), with about 10.7% saying this is “Completely Justified”. Over 1/3 of all
respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon
Musk’s involvement in the Presidential administration.

[RazorV66]

As if white nationalists and nazis are a comparable segment of the population to the percentage of the left gleefully enjoying the past week...or the segment that believes violence is justified...

FFS, It's not even close, CS...

5 NFL teams declined a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk every one of them in a blue city....

Why, because they know it would piss off a huge segment of politicians and the public in their zip code.

I was very surprised that the Detroit Lions didn’t have a moment of silence. 

Detroit is always labeled a blue city but it really doesn’t have the insane Liberal antics like other blue cities.

[ANNEE]

Here is a hint for them....

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CHARMING

Milo Yiannopoulos: is a British far-right political commentator. His speeches and writings criticise Islam, feminism, and social justice. Yiannopoulos is a former editor of Breitbart News, an American far-right news and opinion website.

He married his long term boyfriend in Hawaii in September 2017. In March 2021, during an interview with right wing publication LifeSiteNews, Yiannopoulos stated he was no longer homosexual and that his husband had been "demoted to housemate".

[ANNEE]

It was in the Rutgers study I posted.

OK -- did I miss the link?

[CriticalStinker]

As if white nationalists and nazis are a comparable segment of the population to the percentage of the left gleefully enjoying the past week...or the segment that believes violence is justified...

FFS, It's not even close, CS...

5 NFL teams declined a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk every one of them in a blue city....

Why, because they know it would piss off a huge segment of politicians and the public in their zip code.

Not all thinks are comparable. But I’m just trying to make a point in good faith and show my math. 

The argument over who has more extremism, or more political violence has been an unproductive one for me because each time you zoom out on the timeline it muddies the water.

Also, I think there’s a difference between gleefully celebrating and not changing their opinion on someone. People can not have agreed with him, still be critical of them, and not view him as a hero while still saying it’s horrible he was assassinated. I wouldn’t expect the whole country to partake in vigils and moments of silence if a pundit on the left was executed.

I’m aware that sounds callous, but we simply can’t expect the whole country to unify around political figures after their death if they didn’t unify behind them during their life. We’ve seen that with the death of every political figure. ATS threads were evident of that.

I wouldn’t have a moment of silence at work if say Hillary Clinton died. I don’t respect her, and if she died, no matter the cause, it wouldn’t change my opinion. That goes for a lot of political figures. If someone killed her, I could say that’s wrong while still not admiring her as a person or sharing in someones grief that I don’t have.

I can’t say that is true for myself, and hold other people to a different standard, that’s not fair.

[Moon68]

OK -- did I miss the link?

https://networkcontagion.us/reports/4-7-...ure-brief/

[ANNEE]

https://networkcontagion.us/reports/4-7-...ure-brief/

Thank you