Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[Quantum12]

@andy06shake

Check this out. To remove the barrel is only easy if you have the right tools and you have to clamp down the gun!

[andy06shake]

The topic is Charlie got shot and killed. Why, what could have set this up? I expressed that the mentality of ignoring one's past actions and words(what wallflower brought up, highlighting you specifically as an example) and feigning cooperation based on a "moral" perch is ingenuine. How do we discuss a topic if we delete history?

You mentioned that the hate is embellishment, and I brought up other instances where group mentality was called embellishment, an idea, not a concern or real, only to be confirmed quietly later.

I don't think accountability is monopolized by any group, but do see many contradicting statements and claims from the left. Triggered, or engaged? Passionate, resolute? Nah, just use the word with the most negative connotation... is that the passive aggressiveness you were projecting onto me earlier?

You called it insults, but I'm literally responding to your actions. The actions you are showing are the same actions from leftists enjoying this tragedy, indifference. "Make it stop; I don't want to hear it anymore; why should I be accountable for what I said in the past, etc.." 

You see a six, and I see a nine, but you're convinced only you are correct.

I'm done. I see you are happy to feign ignorance... ironic considering you moderate for this website.

Your problem would seem to be that you're argument conflates accountability with interpretation, which could be considered somewhat ironic.

Claiming leftists "enjoy this tragedy" or "feign ignorance" is based on your own subjective perception, not evidence.

Anyone who finds the assassination anything but deplorable should probably seek help or at least take a very long hard look in the mirror at themselves.

Same with those calling for violence and retribution when we are not even in possession of all the facts yet. 

And disagreement over what constitutes embellishment or hate doesn't negate accountability.

I'm not convinced of much, really where this case is concerned.

Further study is most definitely required.

As to you being done, i hope so, but let's see how long that lasts.  

I'm not your enemy, Jefefreesh, even if you do appear to be looking for one. 

[Vermilion]

So you're ok with random citizens creating databases about other citizens?

Are you ok with liberals doing it, too?

This is a free country, not the UK, and Americans make databases about all kinds of things.
I think the Libs of TikTok is genius and one of my favorites.
Libs post things online publically and then cry that it gets the exposure they wanted when they themselves posted it.
The very definition of FAFO and be careful what you wish for.
At the same time it’s also fascinating that people think they can publically say things and think they won’t be accountable for those very things.
“In case you were wondering if we were gonna stop exposing the evil demonic creatures on the left celebrating Charlie’s m*rder, the answer is HELL NO.”
https://x.com/libsoftiktok

I don’t care which side does it.
If the left exposes people then more power to them.
The right uses the lefts own words to expose them and the left uses lies against the right and calls it exposure.
That’s the way it’s been so far.

[Bootless]

""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.""

Maybe the Miranda should be changed:

"You have the right to ...
... have an attorney present. If you cannot afford one, one will be appointed to you.
You have the right to be armed. If you cannot afford a firearm, one will be provided to you."

"Oh, you don't have one? Here take mine"
[proposed change in red]

[cherokeetroy]

I'm asking the question.
It's obvious that they wouldn't.
And you have failed to give a motive.
Kirk was pro-Israel.  
There is no reason they would want to off him.

I can definitely go through the trouble of compiling and providing data that would build a motive but if you're going to be dishonest throughout the discourse, I don't believe it's worth my time or energy 

Why should I waste time attempting to convince someone who's mind is already made up?

If something compelling comes up, I'll post it

Otherwise, I'm not interested in going round and round with you

[andy06shake]

Maybe he wasn't near a lake when he needed to dump it?

True, but one would think there are other places aside from a lake, a hell of a lot more obscure, which was kind of my point. 

If he's reassembled the thing, the question begs, did he want it to be found? 

Or was there some other motivation that explains his actions?

Again, just speculation.   

I don't have any answers, and the only person who does is Tyler Robinson.

[cherokeetroy]

This is a free country, not the UK, and Americans make databases about all kinds of things.
I think the Libs of TikTok is genius and one of my favorites.
Libs post things online publically and then cry that it gets the exposure they wanted when they themselves posted it.
The very definition of FAFO and be careful what you wish for.
At the same time it’s also fascinating that people think they can publically say things and think they won’t be accountable for those very things.
“In case you were wondering if we were gonna stop exposing the evil demonic creatures on the left celebrating Charlie’s m*rder, the answer is HELL NO.”
https://x.com/libsoftiktok

I don’t care which side does it.
If the left exposes people then more power to them.
The right uses the lefts own words to expose them and the left uses lies against the right and calls it exposure.
That’s the way it’s been so far.

Ok

It's good to know where everyone stands when it comes to targeting and doxxing each other 

I see where this is going

[Bootless]

or did some lefties attempt to derail the thread with off-topic post?

No. One lefty. Me.

It's to emphasize the lumping of people together as if the actions of one individual are the actions of a group. Like you just did

[andy06shake]

I'm not an expert, but dusting off my psychology degree I can give you my opinion ... the shooter wanted what was found to be found.  He had messages on that ammo that he wanted law enforcement to find.   Early reports said the weapon had messages on it as well.   The shooter wanted to make a statement while at the same time he wanted not to get caught, therefore he left it all behind where he knew it would be found all the while he was safely almost 250 miles away.

Could be exactly that.

As to the statement and motivations.

I wish someone would bloody ask the evil little clown.

Probably not know everything until his trial if we are honest....and even then....

[cherokeetroy]

No.
Groypers are not lefties.
Every piece of evidence shows the shooter was a diehard lefty.
Therefore the groyper narrative was a completely false narrative.

The Groyper narrative sprang from his images and the engravings that are generally tied with alt right culture 

It wasn't made up out of thin air