Are you ready for the return of Jesus Christ? Have you been cleansed by His blood?

[Sirius]

Protestants can use whatever wine and grape juice that they want.   Their communion is just a symbol.

Catholics and Orthodox have restrictions.  It has to be pure 'of the vine' to follow what scripture says.

From AI Assist - the Catholic wine requirements - In the Catholic Church, altar wine for sacramental use must be natural, made from grapes, and not corrupt. It should be pure grape wine, alcoholic, and typically falls within the range of 5% to 18% alcohol by volume (ABV). While generally avoiding additives, some wine-derived additives are permitted if they are distilled from grapes and added during fermentation, keeping the final ABV under 18%. Sulfites, a common preservative, are generally accepted. 

Catholicism is an exact science.  Everything, and I do mean just about everything, has to follow requirements from Rome.  And those requirements are there for theological and/or scriptural reasons.  In this case, it's scriptural reason.

interesting, have you got a list of things like that?

[quintessentone]

Protestants can use whatever wine and grape juice that they want.   Their communion is just a symbol.

Catholics and Orthodox have restrictions.  It has to be pure 'of the vine' to follow what scripture says.

From AI Assist - the Catholic wine requirements - In the Catholic Church, altar wine for sacramental use must be natural, made from grapes, and not corrupt. It should be pure grape wine, alcoholic, and typically falls within the range of 5% to 18% alcohol by volume (ABV). While generally avoiding additives, some wine-derived additives are permitted if they are distilled from grapes and added during fermentation, keeping the final ABV under 18%. Sulfites, a common preservative, are generally accepted. 

Catholicism is an exact science.  Everything, and I do mean just about everything, has to follow requirements from Rome.  And those requirements are there for theological and/or scriptural reasons.  In this case, it's scriptural reason.

I'd say Catholicism is an exact indoctrination. I suspect they kept the good stuff for themselves and gave us the cheapest wine they could lay their hands on.

[FlyersFan]

interesting, have you got a list of things like that?

You mean of the requirements in the Catholic Church?
Or just in Mass and Holy Communion?
You've gotta' be more specific.

The requirements for everything in the Catholic church would fill up an entire website by itself.   Everything has to be exact.   The priests vestments have to be certain colors at different times (seasons) of the year and for different feast days.   (for example today the vestments were red in memory of St. John the Baptists beheading which is the feast day for today in the Catholic church).  The candles have to be a certain color and in a certain place on the altar and not other places.  The chalice and the host and the paten and the corporal and pall have to be white (the shroud of Jesus), in a certain order on the altar, and they have to be cleaned a certain way.   The wine and the host (pretransubstantiation) have to be made of certain substances.   If they aren't, then the mass is considered invalid and illicit ... and transubstantiation doesn't happen when the priest says the prescribed Eucharistic prayers during the second part of Mass.

etc etc etc

[FlyersFan]

interesting, have you got a list of things like that?

I hope you aren't considering trying to recreate Catholic Communion on your  own.

Only an ordained Catholic or Orthodox priest has apostolic succession and the authority to consecrate the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ (Transubstantiation).   If anyone tried to do it on their own, following the prescribed Eucharistic prayers, they would in reality be mocking Christs church and authority ... thus turning those prayers into a demonic curse.   Not only would the attempt be a failure, it would bring down some heavy bad spiritual juju from the demonic side.

[Sirius]

I hope you aren't considering trying to recreate Catholic Communion on your  own.

Only an ordained Catholic or Orthodox priest has apostolic succession and the authority to consecrate the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ (Transubstantiation).   If anyone tried to do it on their own, following the prescribed Eucharistic prayers, they would in reality be mocking Christs church and authority ... thus turning those prayers into a demonic curse.   Not only would the attempt be a failure, it would bring down some heavy bad spiritual juju from the demonic side.

Okay, well I reached out to you, forget this conversation happened. I tried to go to one of your churches the other day. It was locked.

[midicon]

Nope.

Catholic and Orthodox - which is half of Christianity - do not believe that Holy Communion is a 'symbolic ritual'.   They believe that the host and wine change into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ Himself.  (TRANSUBSTANTIATION) Those are the only Christian churches that have apostolic succession and that follow Jesus command in John 6 about His flesh being real food ... and His command at the last supper to 'do this in memory of Him'.

Protestants have bread and wine and a symbol.  Catholics and Orthodox have Christ Himself on the altar.

It's all rather sad really.

[UltraBudgie]

Only an ordained Catholic or Orthodox priest has apostolic succession and the authority

Since we're talking about Catholicism, I am curious if you've come to any conclusions about Leo. Are you still maintaining your flirtation with sedevacantism?

[FlyersFan]

Since we're talking about Catholicism, I am curious if you've come to any conclusions about Leo. Are you still maintaining your flirtation with sedevacantism?

Leo is in the footsteps of Francis ... just not as heavy handed on pushing the LGBTQ agenda.   He's just as liberal and puts his nose into politics just as much.   So not a Leo fan ... 

 Benedict was dead when Leo was elected so Benedicts half baked semi 'resignation' didn't matter.   Therefore Leos election was valid.    The Chair of Peter was vacant when Francis was in it.

[FlyersFan]

It's all a symbol regardless. We take its meaning just as seriously.

For Catholics in the Catholic church it's not a symbol.
It's the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Himself.
The bread and wine no longer exist at all.
Catholics worship the Eucharist.
Protestants don't worship their bread and wine as God Himself tangible.  

After mass Catholics place the Eucharist that hasn't been consumed into a tabernacle for worship.
After communion service, protestants throw away their bread and wine that hasn't been consumed.
Sorry, but it's very different.

There have been many Eucharistic miracles around the world ... where the transubstantiation becomes visible and Christ is no longer hidden behind the illusion of bread and wine.

THIS ONE is in Venezuela.  I saw it myself.   Put my rosary next to the glass case.   Just millimeters from the Eucharist with the blood stain.

Here is a partial list with more Eucharistic miracles.

[FlyersFan]

His point of view was more not to pass judgment than it was to accept the practice, no?

Francis issued a decree that the Church was to allow blessings of same sex couples.
That's just short of a sacramental marriage blessing.
Half the Catholic church rejected his decree.
That's more than just not passing judgment.
That's acceptance by the church.