'Alternate Theories Of UFO Origin'.

[UltraBudgie]

yearning for the ocean remembrance of swimming free no gravity we began as little wigglers towards the egg, purespirit impregnating this earthball, here for a little materialism ride. wish we were free spirits? saudade. or middle-age exaspiration. there's time enough for love; that can wait again, because all the state of no opposition does is wait. so nah, be here now. earth's the only place where you can get the relief of eating a tasty meal and pinching off a good one, and it's got all the most horrible groaner jokes. i'm inta that, for now.

i bet the whales are too.

[UltraBudgie]

Here is good book review today in ARC:

Has Jeffrey Kripal Gone Mad, or Normal?

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Paranormal phenomena happen in the material world, says Kripal, because Consciousness creates them. Events like UFO encounters and pre-cognition involve both “revelation and radar”—consciousness and materiality, imagination and science. There is contact (“revelation”) with something ineffably Other, which the experiencer’s mind interprets according to its own cosmology and beliefs—and that creates the physical phenomenon, e.g., the blips on the radar.

But there’s one last kicker: all of this is happening not in your separate, individual mind, but in one common Consciousness (I’ve long wondered if the recourse to capitalization is itself a sign of madness). The experience “is not about a mind. It is about Mind.”

“There is something cosmic or superhuman smoldering in the human.”

Here is where Kripal arrives, toward the end of How to Think, at a metaphysical conclusion: specifically, “dual-aspect monism,” the view that the entire universe and also consciousness is One—your consciousness reading these words is the same as mine writing them—but that human beings experience it as Two: as mind and matter, spirit and stuff, and so on.

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https://arcmag.org/has-jeffrey-kripal-go...-or-normal

Da book:

How To Think Impossibly
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/boo...49049.html

From precognitive dreams and telepathic visions to near-death experiences, UFO encounters, and beyond, so-called impossible phenomena are not supposed to happen. But they do happen—all the time. Jeffrey J. Kripal asserts that the impossible is a function not of reality but of our everchanging assumptions about what is real. How to Think Impossibly invites us to think about these fantastic (yet commonplace) experiences as an essential part of being human, expressive of a deeply shared reality that is neither mental nor material but gives rise to both. Thinking with specific individuals and their extraordinary experiences in vulnerable, open, and often humorous ways, Kripal interweaves humanistic and scientific inquiry to foster an awareness that the fantastic is real, the supernatural is super natural, and the impossible is possible.

Huh mebbe worth a read. Review is funny and woo-erudite too.

[Nerb]

yearning for the ocean remembrance of swimming free no gravity we began as little wigglers towards the egg, purespirit impregnating this earthball, here for a little materialism ride. wish we were free spirits? saudade. or middle-age exaspiration. there's time enough for love; that can wait again, because all the state of no opposition does is wait. so nah, be here now. earth's the only place where you can get the relief of eating a tasty meal and pinching off a good one, and it's got all the most horrible groaner jokes. i'm inta that, for now.

i bet the whales are too.

Ah yes, sparks in motion seeking something to grow a body made of food around them until they can take over the process and feed themselves.

And here we are.

Perhaps Evolution is the bit where a male is born and gets the chance to update it's DNA before creating another version. Shame the advancements are so misunderstood to do anything consciously positive.

Life is a Leap-Frog me thinks and many care not for the consequenses, just the shiny things aimed at.

[Darkorange]

Karl, awesome OP.

I did not watch an entire episode but my question is what was taken as a base assumption before presenting alternate? People from another star system?

[Sirius]

Karl, awesome OP.

I did not watch an entire episode but my question is what was taken as a base assumption before presenting alternate? People from another star system?

Actually talking with experiencers, not jumping to conclusions and recognizing perceptions role. How it starts is with a nuts and bolts investigation and then quickly doing a 180 degree at Mach 5 locking away the file with a warning label.

[Darkorange]

Actually talking with experiencers, not jumping to conclusions and recognizing perceptions role. How it starts is with a nuts and bolts investigation and then quickly doing a 180 degree at Mach 5 locking away the file with a warning label.

to you what would be an alternative of aliens origins aside from people from another planets, if there are any? In few words. I am for the nuts and bolts of space traveling species from far away...in our terms of course.

[Sirius]

to you what would be an alternative of aliens origins aside from people from another planets, if there are any? In few words. I am for the nuts and bolts of space traveling species from far away...in our terms of course.

Something wrong in the environment effecting more and more humans. Food, or with whatever wires our brains, electrical fields

Anything from grandpa to other dimensions. Magic

There is people constantly posting in redit, all the same story...it's getting really weird. Many threads here and elsewhere. Orbs,shadow people, aliens, poltergeists,cryptids all the same thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Experiencers/

I tried doing the CE5 protocols but suck at it and keep drawing pentagrams and getting possessed. I did see his tallness with his minions but everything was kind of weird at the time so never said it, also told them to fuck off so not the best guy for this.

There is a whole other subset of dudes freaking out about living in a simulation and most religious people just shrug at that because it's already implied when you believe in a higher power, as in everything has a creator...

[Sirius]

Good stuff here, shamanistic dreaming. Part of the puzzle.

I am an experiencer, dreamworker, hypnotist, and PhD student with a somewhat challenging hypothesis for both sides of the aisle: ET/NHI contact is both real and dreamlike. There's a lot of nuance with my hypothesis, which James masterfully explored. I really appreciated how his questions helped unpack the shamanic dreaming hypothesis of missing time.
If you're curious how experiences can be both dreamlike and real at the same time, check out the interview. I'd also recommend this podcast to anyone whose followed my work for a while because its a really good synopsis of recent work as well.

[Karl12]

Karl, another great write by you. I believe that ET is somehow involved and connected with the Paranormal and connected to those who experience Sleep Paralysis...

Certainly appreciated mate (as are all the other replies) and suppose it's well worth fleshing out (or at least entertaining) all the other myriad UFO hypotheses out there.

If you want to really go off the reservation when it comes to the supra-normal then thought this was a truly fascinating chat with author Joshuah Cutchin and I would certainly recommend all his other books (haven't read 'Ecology Of Souls' yet).

It's a pretty wild ride covering high strangeness UFO occupant antics sharing specific parallels with Fae lore, shamanic practise, Near Death Experience aspects, DMT/Astral/ Consciousness studies etc. - time anomalies, the OZ factor, Jungian UFO research and 'Psychopomp' contact modalities also get brought up as well as a whole host of other freaky aspects.








Hancock also brings up similar analogues in this old clip and there are quite a number of HS UFO occupant cases where folks have reported seeing 'dead relatives' (also encountering poltergeist activity).








You've also got quite a number of insanely crazy sounding high strangeness incidents like this one reported by seemingly normal, every day people so God knows what's going on lol.






Cheers.

[Karl12]

This seems to be a worn-out thread, so I'll enliven it a bit:  H

This seems to be a worn-out thread, so I'll enliven it a bit:  How can anybody trust Dolan to be honest especially, when he points into uncharted, if not questionable territory..

Thanks for enlivening it mate bravo.

Some extremely astute points in your post there but I feel like I need to stick up for Dolan (especially because of his first book) - also thought he made some excellent points for 'normies' in his new video - not to mention all the USO research.

Granted origin is just an opinion and he is a 'Rhodes scholar' but have also seen him become rather sceptical of the new CIA Elizondo alien threat narrative - perhaps not sceptical enough though.

Anyway at the mo am personally seeing UFOs through the parapsychology lens and thought there was a good vid below describing just how internationally 'common' all this stuff actually is (despite 'gatekeeper' suppression from ivory 'pseudo- environments).








All the best mate, don't know what you made of the content of that last post but, as always, I know less now than when I first started to look into this subject lol.

Cheers.