'Alternate Theories Of UFO Origin'.

[Sirius]

Forget the 1% mate - in the majority of officially sanctioned studies the 'actual unknown' rate appears to be a constant 20%.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but the plethora of new UFO experts that have popped up recently (who noone has ever heard of before) have the distinc flavour of 'non official cover'.

Can post many links citing the 20% conclusion and will do when time allows.

Cheers!

Ja. New guys are new. They must just do whatever they are doing with gumption.

[Nerb]

Nice to chat and read about this here.

I remember Professor Simon Holland began talking and reporting about this a while ago. He joined ATS but got ridiculed because sadly he went way over the top in his first posts and quit for good. Sad really.

His videos are great and one of them in particular gained quite a bit of interest....



I like the idea of the faster than light communication and it kinda runs alongside one of my own theories:

When we point a very powerful telescope into the depths of space and observe something like a planet or moon, maybe we aren't just "looking" at something. Particularly Hubble and now The Webb telescope. Maybe we are "sending" energy in an INCREDIBLY focused beam. All the sensors and new cameras evolving rapidly may have unknown side effects. This may have the effect of creating an observable point of light/plasma/energy at the exact point of FOCUS on the target without us realising. Just like some of the TIC TAK objects and crazy moving objects, especially those made of light. One degree from a very long way away can appear to move way beyond our Earthly physics at the point of observation.

Also, consider collapsing athletes or newscasters filmed with endless multiple cameras and sensors on a mobile or powerful TV cameras etc. Maybe something happens inside a body when this is in effect which screws with a heartbeat and bloodflow.

When we began doing this a few years ago with our big telescopes, maybe we were actually sending a message without knowing it.

What we may be seeing here on Earth is a similar effect from one or more of those targets doing similar things. A response perhaps, or like us, just a random observation many light years away scanning the skies.

I wonder how this is affected by the vast distances involved regarding these observations?

Since it's launch in 1990, hubble has observed many things, and I think quite a few things focused on up to perhaps 100 trillion miles away could send/reflect back at us by now.

Think of it like looking at the Moon with a telescope which we can shift with ease to scan the surface but nothing related to the physics of the Moon could explain it from there if it was looking at our focus point containing some kind of visual energy unbeknown to us.

What on Earth...or in the Universe, could we be doing out there without knowing?

Yes, I'm way out there.

[AlienSun]

This seems to be a worn-out thread, so I'll enliven it a bit:  How can anybody trust Dolan to be honest especially, when he points into uncharted, if not questionable territory, that will never bear any fruit but keep us looking in the wrong direction?

As for those that question the blandness of UFO landings, they need to step back and take a look at those situations.  First, the stories of, "Aw, look! the saucer has broken down the little guys are scurrying around doing repair," or the "Aw, look! the little guys are collecting plant samples," or the "Aw, look! the little guys (almost human-looking) see us, and are scared of us, running back to their saucer."

All such introductory moves are carefully calculated to "break the ice," to dispel the instant fear factor of humans seeing human-like aliens in mysterious machines for the first time.  But seeing them as near-harmless and if not vulnerable.  Evidently, such events don't happen much anymore.  Without question, that primary PR activities of the ETs has been over-shadowed by the grim reports from the next phase, our introduction into several decades in the last century of mass abductions as they set their plans into motion.

Hardware, theirs, ours?  Don't give it a second thought.  Bigger things are coming into focus.

[Waterglass]

Please post if you disagree but thought there was quite a refreshing vid below about how the defining of UFOs as 'alien' is 'inherently contradictory, presumptuous and unscientific'.

It also posits that doing so prejudices many other explanations and opens the door for armchair debunkers and lazy pseudo-sceptics who have never even bothered to study the subject.








[Video: https://youtu.be/tbW2Un5epdQ]



:beer:

Karl, another great write by you. I believe that ET is somehow involved and connected with the Paranormal and connected to those who experience Sleep Paralysis. I had it since age 7. I finally controlled it in 2019 and it stopped completely in January 2022. NONE since @ 3+ years! In 2018 I began to pray to several deceased uncles, my father in law and God. In 2021 on another back story, I met with father Robert Morey at my home. He said that since age 7 I have been under a spiritual attack and told me to start going to church again and pray with a rosary, along with three other things. I did all and my last SP episode was in 2022. My last UFO sighting was in 2020. We still live in the same home in South Carolina. I cant explain the how and why but how can I blow off the possiblity of a Supreme Being and ETs. I cant. Including Paranormal and interdimensional beings

[sahgwa]

This seems to be a worn-out thread, so I'll enliven it a bit:  How can anybody trust Dolan to be honest especially, when he points into uncharted, if not questionable territory, that will never bear any fruit but keep us looking in the wrong direction?

As for those that question the blandness of UFO landings, they need to step back and take a look at those situations.  First, the stories of, "Aw, look! the saucer has broken down the little guys are scurrying around doing repair," or the "Aw, look! the little guys are collecting plant samples," or the "Aw, look! the little guys (almost human-looking) see us, and are scared of us, running back to their saucer."

All such introductory moves are carefully calculated to "break the ice," to dispel the instant fear factor of humans seeing human-like aliens in mysterious machines for the first time.  But seeing them as near-harmless and if not vulnerable.  Evidently, such events don't happen much anymore.  Without question, that primary PR activities of the ETs has been over-shadowed by the grim reports from the next phase, our introduction into several decades in the last century of mass abductions as they set their plans into motion.

Hardware, theirs, ours?  Don't give it a second thought.  Bigger things are coming into focus.

What bigger things do you see coming into focus?
What do you think is going to occur?

[AlienSun]

Nice to chat and read about this here.

I remember Professor Simon Holland began talking and reporting about this a while ago. He joined ATS but got ridiculed because sadly he went way over the top in his first posts and quit for good. Sad really.

His videos are great and one of them in particular gained quite a bit of interest....

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynRXJsgUwaI]

I like the idea of the faster than light communication and it kinda runs alongside one of my own theories:

When we point a very powerful telescope into the depths of space and observe something like a planet or moon, maybe we aren't just "looking" at something. Particularly Hubble and now The Webb telescope. Maybe we are "sending" energy in an INCREDIBLY focused beam. All the sensors and new cameras evolving rapidly may have unknown side effects. This may have the effect of creating an observable point of light/plasma/energy at the exact point of FOCUS on the target without us realising. Just like some of the TIC TAK objects and crazy moving objects, especially those made of light. One degree from a very long way away can appear to move way beyond our Earthly physics at the point of observation.

Also, consider collapsing athletes or newscasters filmed with endless multiple cameras and sensors on a mobile or powerful TV cameras etc. Maybe something happens inside a body when this is in effect which screws with a heartbeat and bloodflow.

When we began doing this a few years ago with our big telescopes, maybe we were actually sending a message without knowing it.

What we may be seeing here on Earth is a similar effect from one or more of those targets doing similar things. A response perhaps, or like us, just a random observation many light years away scanning the skies.

I wonder how this is affected by the vast distances involved regarding these observations?

Since it's launch in 1990, hubble has observed many things, and I think quite a few things focused on up to perhaps 100 trillion miles away could send/reflect back at us by now.

Think of it like looking at the Moon with a telescope which we can shift with ease to scan the surface but nothing related to the physics of the Moon could explain it from there if it was looking at our focus point containing some kind of visual energy unbeknown to us.

What on Earth...or in the Universe, could we be doing out there without knowing?

Yes, I'm way out there.

Back in 2017 on ATS we had a newcomer for a few short weeks that claimed that he was a computer engineer.  He seemed very legitimate and knowledgeable.  He claimed that he and a co-worker had discovered that NASA was using a faster-than-light system for communications with one of our Martian probes.  He was scared because they had stumbled across the program and were not part of the process.  He wrote very detailed accounts and wanted the details of our new system to become known.  They had attempted to keep themselves from being detected, but his help-mate disappeared  .

After his initial showing up on ATS and several long post, he went online with a blog under his username on ATS of AstroEngineer and wrote more details.  He seemed to be genuine and scared and wanted to talk to protect himself from harm. 

I have two files from his blog, one short section from one is here below after this sentence.... 

"If you already read Parts I through III and want to skip the preface, you can jump to the beginning of Part IV.
Preface

I am publishing this story somewhat hastily in response to the hue and cry on the Above Top Secret forums. Apologies in advance for those areas that I would have improved or omitted entirely had I spent more time thinking about what others wanted to hear and less time thinking about what I wanted to say. I attempted, where it occurred to me, to explain the terms and workings of the things I mention, but I may have forgotten to explain some items which could cause confusion and/or Google searches. I will attempt to update this document in the coming weeks as I have time, to improve the clarity and eliminate elements which may unnecessary or uninteresting to others.

This began and remains a personal journey, an attempt to reconcile and understand my own history and work. If you find it interesting, great. If you don’t, oh well.

The experience I’m about to relate marked the beginning of the end of my NASA work, the end of the beginning of my awakening. The transparent and noble institution I believed I knew was hiding something.
If you already read Parts I through III and want to skip the preface, you can jump to the beginning of Part IV.
Preface

I am publishing this story somewhat hastily in response to the hue and cry on the Above Top Secret forums. Apologies in advance for those areas that I would have improved or omitted entirely had I spent more time thinking about what others wanted to hear and less time thinking about what I wanted to say. I attempted, where it occurred to me, to explain the terms and workings of the things I mention, but I may have forgotten to explain some items which could cause confusion and/or Google searches. I will attempt to update this document in the coming weeks as I have time, to improve the clarity and eliminate elements which may unnecessary or uninteresting to others.

This began and remains a personal journey, an attempt to reconcile and understand my own history and work. If you find it interesting, great. If you don’t, oh well.

The experience I’m about to relate marked the beginning of the end of my NASA work, the end of the beginning of my awakening. The transparent and noble institution I believed I knew was hiding something.
may..."

[UltraBudgie]

https://astroengineer.wordpress.com/2010...-document/

that was fun thread 2010 tho

on previous point interesting that act of observation is not passive but active. "painting" reality. why do we say "casting" our eyes over something? what is being put out? how do you measure external effect of attention?

here is word of day in simulation theory elision is when the reality around the corner doesn't exist until you actually go looking there...

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e·li·sion
/əˈliZH(ə)n/
noun
noun: elision; plural noun: elisions

the omission of a sound or syllable when speaking (as in I'm, let's, e ' en ).
an omission of a passage in a book, speech, or film.
"the movie's elisions and distortions have been carefully thought out"
the process of joining together or merging things, especially abstract ideas.
"unease at the elision of so many vital questions"

like how earth is flat until it really needs to seem round

[Nerb]

here is word of day in simulation theory elision is when the reality around the corner doesn't exist until you actually go looking there...


like how earth is flat until it really needs to seem round

Perhaps the Moon was created by little things under the ocean wanting to see the Sun when it wasn't visible in the night sky.

[UltraBudgie]

Perhaps the Moon was created by little things under the ocean wanting to see the Sun when it wasn't visible in the night sky.

Ha! That's probably true in more ways than one.

And dovetails with UFO disclosure -- it's not about being subtle any more.

[AlienSun]

Hey!  Isn't "free spirits" what we all wish we were? Nerb's "little things under the ocean" refired one of my vague fantasies of undersea, advanced life forms that have transitioned beyond the physical and also exist in a free state of being to which we humans can frequently sense and truly lust for ourselves.  Not having to fiddle with fingers and gadgets we create, they paddle around and think of and in all sorts of situations.  (No alcohol or smokes here, only coffee.)