'Alternate Theories Of UFO Origin'.

[Karl12]

For folks interested in (or entertained by) speculation about the UFO subject then there's a good presentation below from researcher Greg Bishop exploring 'Alternative Theories of UFO Origin' - lots of various ideas kicked around from luminaries such as John Keel, Mac Tonnies, Michael Persinger, Jacques Vallee, Rick Strassman etc. as well as other strange aspects like USOs, cryptoterrestriality, extra dimensionality, time travel, magnetic field induction, tulpas and elementals so probably best to try and watch with an open mind.

Greg Bishop has been studying UFOs and the paranormal for most of his life. His first article on the subject was published in 1988. In his book Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth (2005 Simon & Schuster/ Pocket Books) he wrote about a government campaign of disinformation perpetrated against an unsuspecting U.S. citizen. The no-man's land between the extremes of wide-eyed belief and closed-minded debunkery has fascinated Greg and led to the birth of a magazine he co-founded called The Excluded Middle, which was a journal of UFOs, conspiracy research, psychedelia and new science. .

Not to be outdone Richard Dolan also discusses the various hypotheses out there and, whilst he posits the ETH, also engages in a spot of conjecture about origin and the nature of UFO reality in this clip:












Dr Hynek's colleague and original 'nuts and bolts' guy Ted Phillips also speculates about origin in this great interview - he describes incidents where UFOs have been witnessed with physical trace evidence on the ground (4000 cases in 93 countries - 19℅ of which involve humanoids) and also broaches the paranormal angle by relating a case where poltergeist activity immediately began in a house after witnesses observed a close range UFO depart vertically outside their upstairs window.

[Karl12]

Please post if you disagree but thought there was quite a refreshing vid below about how the defining of UFOs as 'alien' is 'inherently contradictory, presumptuous and unscientific'.

It also posits that doing so prejudices many other explanations and opens the door for armchair debunkers and lazy pseudo-sceptics who have never even bothered to study the subject.

In English-language media, we're accustomed to using the terms, "UFO" and "Alien" interchangeably. While this may seem harmless enough, it is detrimental to a focused, data-conscious debate on UFOs. Here's why.

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[AlienSun]

To call a totally unknown type of device moving strangely in the air as "alien" is not a misuse of the term and it is handy.  Who wants to look up how to spell "anonymous" all of the time?  Methinks that the understanding of the word "alien" is proper.  That it has roots in meaning that the phenomena has itself earned. 
Eventually, of course, the word "alien" will be taboo, discarded and never mentioned in public discourse because it will reflect poorly on the occupants just as we are schooled to never use the word "illegal" anymore.

[sahgwa]

Well, diction and logic demand that we always keep separate the definitions in our minds .  Of course the average Joe always uses UFO as meaning Extraterrestrial craft but that's not really it, is it?

Alien = foreign to humankind, or the nation involved.
UFO = any object flying that is unidentified
UAP = this one is interesting because it essentially broadens the term UFO, to include anything flying that is unknown but that is not necessarily physical, it could be some kind of phenomenon like even a gas or a plasma. 

You could have a UFO that is actually manmade from the MIC. 
Then there is the whole cryptoterrestrial/faery history and hypothesis as well.

[quintessentone]

To Karl12:

So I quickly skipped through the first video because I am confident I've come across all those hypotheses during my quest for the truth since the 90s.

I, however, did watch Richard Dolan's entire video and I think I may be at the point where he is, specifically, looking to what we probably don't know, yet, e.g. warp drive/quantum tunnelling (particles travelling through barriers) being possible.

I think right now I am mulling around if some of these hypothesis can be rolled into quantum entanglement to include time dilation, warp drive, particle entanglement/tunnelling etc. in the sense of ET/alien matter/particles interacting with human matter/particles so as to create a new combined interaction/reality.

As to my experience with ET, the craft both levitated up into the sky until I could not see it again, while another time it just blinked out. Through it all, it felt totally real as being in a physical reality with time dilation.

Thanks, Karl12, for keeping the search alive and well as I will never stop trying to understand how it happened. However, I know why it happened as was explained to me and I gave my permission to be involved.

So this is where I am now regarding hypothesizing what it could be:



BTW, as for the automatic connection of ETs or aliens to the UFO term, well why not? Don't we all have to keep an open mind?

Here is a silly joke I came across the other day:

We use the term:
UFO for Unidentified Flying Object, but if the object has been identified,
then we use the term:
FO - Flying Object, but if the object lands then we would have to use the term:
O - Object.

[Darkorange]

To Karl12:

I, however, did watch Richard Dolan's entire video and I think I may be at the point where he is, specifically, looking to what we probably don't know, yet, e.g. warp drive/quantum tunnelling (particles travelling through barriers) being possible.

Sure. Why not. I can see it two ways...either scientists work hard to make sense out of warp drive/tunneling or may be some crazy discovery advances physics which can happen tomorrow...and then warp drive would sound very naive.
:)

[quintessentone]

Sure. Why not. I can see it two ways...either scientists work hard to make sense out of warp drive/tunneling or may be some crazy discovery advances physics which can happen tomorrow...and then warp drive would sound very naive.
:)

You might find this video interesting; Jump to 55:00 for the gist of it.
 

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https://youtu.be/nb7tKK0BIEE?si=D_U_n3Ir82Z45ePI

[Karl12]

Thanks, Karl12, for keeping the search alive and well as I will never stop trying to understand how it happened.

That's what it's all about mate (or at least attempting to understand) and I appreciate the post.

Suppose after studying the literature for a while one starts to see the same behaviours pop up time and time again in different countries although I'm still as clueless now as when I first began (even more so probably)

Have no idea what UFOs and their occupants actually are (extraterrestrials, metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials etc.) but specific behaviour has been witnessed a lot of times (almost too many times) and do remember Jacques Vallee once pointing out that many accounts of UFO landings 'have the undeniable flavor of staged events'.

Reckon the average Joe would completely freaked out to see 'just how many' global UFO occupant reports are actually out there and when it comes to repeatedly witnessed aspects like collecting fauna/soil samples, fixing their vehicles, asking for water etc.. then Nick Redfern also once described it as 'emphasizing the ET meme'.

Here's what researcher Mac Tonnies had to say about it.

I'm reminded of the various people in those old 50s and 60s cases who just conveniently stumbled upon "aliens" taking "soil samples" etc.

To me, that sounds like a classic "stage performance" to reinforce the idea of aliens checking out our biology, fauna, etc.

If they wanted to, they could easily do it without being seen.

But ensuring they _are_ seen and that the ET motif is reinforced, seems to be a part of the agenda.

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Sticking with the seemingly contrived behaviour of 'occupants' also thought José Antonio Caravaca asked some really important questions here.

But for our study the most interesting thing is to decipher why a presumed extraterrestrial would show himself surprised in the presence of a witness after landing hundreds of times? 

Why does he repeat his amazement in the presence of a human being in the surroundings of a UFO? And similarly, how many times would he need to repair his flying saucer in front of a witness? How many ground samples does he need to collect? How many glasses of water does he need to drink to quench his thirst? How many times would these "scientific" aliens need to perform a medical exam on a human? Why would a suspected alien stay static at the side of a road while the witness drives by? Why do all these actions repeat themselves over and over again? Why haven't the occupants of UFOs evolved over time in their behavior and relationship to humans, only repeating certain behavioral patterns? Why do the occupants after hundreds, perhaps thousands of landings, keep repeating these same behavioral-like mantras?


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The UFO Occupants Trapped In An Infinite Loop

Cheers.

[quintessentone]

That's what it's all about mate (or at least attempting to understand) and I appreciate the post.

Suppose after studying the literature for a while one starts to see the same behaviours pop up time and time again in different countries although I'm still as clueless now as when I first began (even more so probably)

Have no idea what UFOs and their occupants actually are (extraterrestrials, metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials etc.) but specific behaviour has been witnessed a lot of times (almost too many times) and do remember Jacques Vallee once pointing out that many accounts of UFO landings 'have the undeniable flavor of staged events'.

Reckon the average Joe would completely freaked out to see 'just how many' global UFO occupant reports are actually out there and when it comes to repeatedly witnessed aspects like collecting fauna/soil samples, fixing their vehicles, asking for water etc.. then Nick Redfern also once described it as 'emphasizing the ET meme'.

Here's what researcher Mac Tonnies had to say about it.







Sticking with the seemingly contrived behaviour of 'occupants' also thought José Antonio Caravaca asked some really important questions here.




Cheers.

That's exactly what I am seeing UAP/UFO investigators say now, that 'some' alien tech is advanced military tech...look to Lockheed and Raytheon. There is still the 1% unexplained.

As for debunking those witnesses who believed they saw real aliens, they have yet to provide evidence either way.

[Karl12]

That's exactly what I am seeing UAP/UFO investigators say now, that 'some' alien tech is advanced military tech...look to Lockheed and Raytheon. There is still the 1% unexplained.

As for debunking those witnesses who believed they saw real aliens, they have yet to provide evidence either way.

Forget the 1% mate - in the majority of officially sanctioned studies the 'actual unknown' rate appears to be a constant 20%.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but the plethora of new UFO experts that have popped up recently (who noone has ever heard of before) have the distinc flavour of 'non official cover'.

Can post many links citing the 20% conclusion and will do when time allows.

Cheers!