3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[WallFlowerActive]

Some instances are ICE agents 'attacking' legal demonstrators which only fires up those around said incidents. There's been lots of research on this subject.

Define legal.  If the persons are engage to disrupt ICE duties and tip off ICE presence during apprehensions, that’s interference and illegal.

Which has nothing to do with the question asked.  Did Pretti lays hand on an agent before being shot.

[WallFlowerActive]

There's plenty of video of the incident, and can clearly seen that two women are shoved at him and he's peppered sprayed before putting his hands on anyone.

That’s not the question.  Did Pretti lay hands on an agent before being shot.

[Kurokage]

It's not, people just want to pass the blame from those that are the most at fault. 


99.99999999% of dogs aren't going to bite you unless you agitate them first, this is the same principle.

Even though I agree with your statement, I'd say it's more like 60% as some breeds of dogs still have a high prey/predator instinct and can accidently bite a running child for instance.

[WallFlowerActive]

Even though I agree with your statement, I'd say it's more like 60% as some breeds of dogs still have a high prey/predator instinct and can accidently bite a running child for instance.

The reason why when I would run the roads in the country when I would see a dog I would slow to a walk.  Especially if the dog was with the owner.

By your logic if I child gets bit, it’s because of an improperly trained owner?  Right.


And there is a reason I don’t jump in the middle of law enforcement doing their job and don’t lay my hands on them.

[Kurokage]

That’s not the question.  Did Pretti lay hands on an agent before being shot.

That's a rather leading question in respect of the incident, is it though? 

He was peppered sprayed and shoved over before showing any signs of resistance, which still doesn't warrant a death penalty by 5/6 ICE agents.

And where are two of those ICE agents now??

A.I. statement...

The two ICE agents involved in the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti have been placed on administrative leave as part of the ongoing investigation into the incident. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has confirmed that the agents fired their weapons during the struggle with Pretti, but the specific agents have not been named. The incident has sparked significant national attention and controversy, with the agents' actions being described as a breach of protocol and a violation of the rights of a peaceful protester. The situation has led to calls for a review of ICE operations and the treatment of protesters in the United States. 

[Kurokage]

The reason why when I would run the roads in the country when I would see a dog I would slow to a walk.  Especially if the dog was with the owner.

By your logic if I child gets bit, it’s because of an improperly trained owner?  Right.


And there is a reason I don’t jump in the middle of law enforcement doing their job and don’t lay my hands on them.

That's not totally correct.

In the heat of the moment, a dog can still 'nip'

But using your analogy.
A improperly trained dog (ICE Agent) can bite and over react to certain stimuli

[PorkChop96]

Some 

That is the key word here.

You and others are speaking as a generalization that all of these agents are untrained and will attack anyone they see. I've already said there are going to be shtibags on both sides, but "protestors" interfering with federal agents is not "legally being there", as is federal agents randomly attacking protestors is not within their legal rights to do.

[FlyersFan]

That's not always the case when it comes to protestors, policing tactics and public disorder.  Poor training can and will agitate a normal law abiding crowd. Just blaming someone for legally being there isn't really the way to look at it.

The only ones escalating the situation are the lawless agitators who are not letting law enforcement do their job.   Period.   If the law enforcement were to back down then the lawless mob would 'win' and the criminals would win, and law abiding citizens everywhere in this country would lose.   And that crowd isn't a 'normal law abiding crowd'.   Impeding law enforcement and getting in the faces of that law enforcement and spitting at them (assault in this country) and causing damage to police vehicles is not a  'normal law abiding crowd'.

The agitators are the only ones to blame. 
 If they would stop protecting criminals then none of this would be happening.

[WallFlowerActive]

That's a rather leading question in respect of the incident, is it though? 

He was peppered sprayed and shoved over before showing any signs of resistance, which still doesn't warrant a death penalty by 5/6 ICE agents.

And where are two of those ICE agents now??

A.I. statement...

Like the example of running up on a dog with its owner.  Especially if you keep running up on them after the dog growls.

You don’t run up on law enforcement interfering in their duties where time and again it’s been held up in court agents have the right to protect themselves and their fellow agents if they think their safety is threatened.  Where you give the warning of pepper spray and pushed / shoved aside, and Pretti made the mistake for going back for more?  Pretti was stupid.

[FlyersFan]

 Pretti was stupid.

He gave himself the Darwin Award.