3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[FlyersFan]

He was technically always legally carrying. He had a permit, he just did not have it on him.

I've always read that if you don't have it on you, and you have no id,  then you aren't carrying legally.
I'll have to go relook that up now ... 
But at any rate, as soon as he resisted arrest, he for sure was not legally carrying.
That's what the talking head legal analysts said on TV.
(unless those lawyers were wrong ....)

[PorkChop96]

I've always read that if you don't have it on you, and you have no id,  then you aren't carrying legally.
I'll have to go relook that up now ... 
But at any rate, as soon as he resisted arrest, he for sure was not legally carrying.
That's what the talking head legal analysts said on TV.
(unless those lawyers were wrong ....)

Any municipality could probably cite you for not having those documents, more of a warning not a ticket, on you while carrying, but it's not inherently illegal to do so. They can all look up your information, it's just a pain that most officers do not want to deal with.

[UltraBudgie]

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I wasn't contesting the point you were asserting, please notice. I was only showing that what it was claimed you said was logically contained within what you actually said. Evading that weakens your argument, you know, which I actually think has some valid points. Have a look into the US Code sections that enable DHS and ICE, for example. Debating as though every single thing must be defended, even when there's a mistake, it makes it appear as though rhetoric is merely being used as a game to enforce biased opinion.

[Kurokage]

It's all well and good to issue an order but how logically and practicably it's able to be carried out is another thing.

How on Earth are you going to 'ignore' someone throwing things at, and hitting you, parking in front of you, or running you down with a vehicle,  while you are trying to work ???

Most are peaceful demonstrators with many ICE agents complaining about mission creep, with having to police protests.

Poorly or Untrained ICE agents can be just as guilty at instigating or elevating tensions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...86659.html

Inside the ICE offices where morale is ‘miserable’ and the deportation push has become ‘mission impossible’

Despite Trump casting a bright light on the immigration enforcement agency, the reality inside ICE offices is very dark. With high expectations, shifting priorities and a heightened fear of losing their job, morale is low and the pressure is high, officials told The Atlantic.
“It’s miserable,” a career ICE official told the magazine, characterizing the task as “mission impossible.”

Although the administration pledged to arrest “the worst of the worst,” data last month shows ICE has arrested just a small fraction of those convicted of serious crimes, such as murder and sexual assault. For example, of the 13,000 undocumented immigrants in the U.S. who were convicted of murder, the agency had arrested just 752 of them from October 1 to May 31.
Instead, data suggests the agency has arrested a large portion of non-criminals since Trump took office. Of the arrests from Trump’s inauguration through early May, 44 percent had a criminal conviction, 34 percent had pending charges and 23 percent had no criminal history, ABC News reported. After Memorial Day, the portion of non-criminal arrests spiked; 30 percent of those arrested had criminal convictions, 26 percent faced pending charges, while 44 percent had no criminal history.

There’s a notable shift in priorities from trying to keep the nation safe to being quota-driven, some officials said. “No drug cases, no human trafficking, no child exploitation,” a veteran agent told The Atlantic. “It’s infuriating.” The agent is considering quitting rather than having to continue “arresting gardeners.”
Some have actually quit.

[WallFlowerActive]

Any municipality could probably cite you for not having those documents, more of a warning not a ticket, on you while carrying, but it's not inherently illegal to do so. They can all look up your information, it's just a pain that most officers do not want to deal with.

In Illinois you have to have a foid card on your person to legally carry.  AI with links claims if you are caught outside your home?  I assume property?  With a firearm but leaving your card at home is a class A misdemeanor.



I just used it as an example because foid card is something specific to look up.  I’m sure it varies with state. But I think leaving your permit and ID behind is petty serious.

[WallFlowerActive]

Most
Poorly or Untrained ICE agents can be just as guilty at instigating or elevating tensions.

Which you have not proven.  Which isn’t the same with dealing with people physically interfering with ICE duties.  Which is a far cry from many on the left screaming staged execution.

[MrGashler77]

I just searched posts using the text "ICE doesn't have the authority to arrest people for crimes outside of their purview" and the only result received was your post to which I am now replying.

I NEVER wrote what you suggested.

Do the search for yourself.

I don't need to do the search. 

purview
noun
formal

1. the scope of the influence or concerns of something.
   

"The domain of the operations and authority of ICE is clear and does not cover the arrest or harassment of people who have not committed infractions against immigration and customs laws."

"ICE doesn't have the authority to arrest people for crimes outside of their purview"

ICE = ICE
doesn't have = does not cover
the authority = authority
to arrest = to arrest
people = people
for crimes = committed infractions
outside of their purview = immigration and customs laws


Since we're now playing word games, maybe you can point out the difference between these two statements.

[PorkChop96]

In Illinois you have to have a foid card on your person to legally carry.  AI with links claims if you are caught outside your home?  I assume property?  With a firearm but leaving your card at home is a class A misdemeanor.

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I just used it as an example because foid card is something specific to look up.  I’m sure it varies with state. But I think leaving your permit and ID behind is petty serious.

That is a very good point. Illinois is definitely one of the more strict states on stuff like that, but that is the gist of it all. I know California and New York will have similar penalties as Illinois, but in any state that has constitutional carry laws cannot issue you a legal penalty for going without your actual permit. 

That being said, I am a very firm believer that if you carry, you need to always have your permit and ID on you at all times. I recommend going a step further and get insurance that covers the defensive use of that firearm (USCCA is my insurance of choice), but it is not required in most states.

[UltraBudgie]

Hey has anyone heard more about the theory that a round was fired accidentally from the seized gun? It would be nice to know one way or another about that. I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to check from inspecting the weapon and checking the brass collected at the scene vs the shot count in recorded audio?

[PorkChop96]

Hey has anyone heard more about the theory that a round was fired accidentally from the seized gun? It would be nice to know one way or another about that. I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to check from inspecting the weapon and checking the brass collected at the scene vs the shot count in recorded audio?

I don't have the link to add it currently, but if you go to YouTube, Brandon Herrera does a pretty unbiased breakdown with former cop Donut Operator and they slow down the video to show that gun going off while the agent removes it from the area of the tussle.

Edit: This link should work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCiaqJvbW_A