3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[Oldcarpy2]

I'll leave that to you to figure out why, it's glaringly obvious......

Do enlighten me?

[Oldcarpy2]

I'm rather surprised at that.
He's been a major player in the past.

Him taking over for Noem is a good thing.
She never should have had the job to begin with.
Technically she still has her job, but she's now sitting in a corner.
He's doing it while she keeps her title ... for now.

Hey, I'm just a foreigner?

[sahgwa]

I think this will only help the situation and de-escalate some of these confrontations (whether you believe they're agitators or demonstrators) 
https://knewz.com/kristi-noem-humiliated-new-ice-order/

It's all well and good to issue an order but how logically and practicably it's able to be carried out is another thing.

How on Earth are you going to 'ignore' someone throwing things at, and hitting you, parking in front of you, or running you down with a vehicle,  while you are trying to work ???

[PorkChop96]

Do enlighten me?

I'll give you a hint, it all has to do with who is in the oval office.....shhhh don't tell anyone I told you

[Oldcarpy2]

I'll give you a hint, it all has to do with who is in the oval office.....shhhh don't tell anyone I told you

I see.....

[chr0naut]

That is because you are as closed minded as you are ignorant on the subject matter. But no worries, let me see if  I can explain it in a simple enough way you might be able to comprehend it. 
 
You are of the belief that only one thing can be true about an action/situation. If you have taken any sort of formal CCW training, as Pretti should have had to since he held a permit, you know that when you are carrying you are not to insert yourself into a situation that he did. When you carry and you get put yourself in that type of situation, your gun becomes anyone's gun. You are trained not to put yourself in that situation, Pretti clearly ignored that part of his training. 

There is only 1 similarity between this case and Rittenhouse, that being, that they both had a gun at a protest. That is it.

Kyle was invited there to protect businesses. He only acted when he was confronted by a felon kiddy toucher, and when he did it was in self defense. He then proceeded to retreat and get to the police, he was then confronted by more rioters where he was assaulted with a skateboard, rocks, and even had a gun drawn on him. He then acted in self defense again, retreated again to police and surrendered to them with his hands in the air and did not resist. 

Pretti took a gun to a "protest", inserted himself into police business (which is against the law to begin with), then when he was being arrested for committing that crime resisted, WITH A GUN ON HIS PERSON, and that led to the events that led to his death. 

There are absolutely no similarities to these stories. Rittenhouse did what he was there to do, protect himself and the businesses of a town he grew up in. Pretti did the exact opposite of what he was there to do. Plain and simple

you have obviously not watched any of the videos have you? Pretti was disarmed by another agent, that did not announce he had disarmed him. Another agent announced there was a gun, there was a ND by the agent who had disarmed Pretti, and the other agents reacted poorly to that. 

None of the agents in that pile, other than the one who disarmed Pretti, knew he no longer had a gun on him and when a shot was fired, not from an agent, agents fired in response. 

Now, listen very close to what I am saying here.   This shooting did not need to happen and is tragic that it occurred. The agents acted on training when a shot was fired while they were wrestling with a man that was, in their minds, still armed. Again, the disarming agent did not make the others aware he had done so.   The agents should not have fired their weapons, that is a given. Pretti should not have interfered with federal agents in performance of their duties, that is also a given. Pretti losing his life is tragic, it was unnecessary and preventable on all sides. 

I am not going to touch on that last part because it is more of your unhinged rant about "the US needs to take all your guns away because derp derp derp"

There has been another murder in the USA, where the murderers went free, citing 'self-defence'. Human life means nothing under US law.

Even if the shooters had been justified in firing, at best it was manslaughter.

And since the shootings were intentional, and there was no actual threat to the shooters at the time they shot, it was murder. Cut and dried.

The issue isn't all the excuses, the issue is that US law is not justice and does not place human life and quality of life at the pinnacle of what it is supposed to protect. It's all about money and public opinion.

The very second US Federal law ever entered into statute permits domestic terrorism. WTF?

Wake up! There's something going wrong and it has been playing out there for at least 238 years.

You guys had a civil war against yourselves, where there was 360,222 Union deaths and 258,000 Confederate Deaths. If it was about freeing slaves, that could have been done by legislation (like it was done by the rest of the world). It was a war for stupid reasons and probably State rights which Trump is now actively overturning.

Isn't that a clue? How can you claim a modern system of true justice if you refuse to value the only irreplaceable thing you have?

[PorkChop96]

And since the shootings were intentional,

Guess it's a good thing you are neither judge, jury, or executioner, as you would be dead wrong on all accounts. Negligent, yes, intentional no. 

That is the great thing about hindsight isn't it, you get to deem the actions of another person as murder when you were not in their shoes. Such entitlement from someone who knows nothing of the duties these men perform every single day.  ignorant at best....

Again, if you were paying attention, nowhere did I say that I believe these agents are 100% guilt free, or guilty for that matter. 

Will at least one of these men faces charges for involuntary manslaughter, probably. Should he now be killed in an "eye for an eye" manner for acting on a situation he was forced into by Pretti? That how it works?

[PorkChop96]

It was a war for stupid reasons and probably State rights which Trump is now actively overturning.

Isn't that a clue? How can you claim a modern system of true justice if you refuse to value the only irreplaceable thing you have?

What state rights is Trump "actively overturning"? 


Federal immigration law overrides states "wants" every single time......sorry to tell you bud

[Knows]

[MrGashler77]

There is no "going by" that is literally what a use of force is, any time an incident occurs where you forcefully touch another you have to fill out use of force paperwork. If you've ever been through it, you would know that. I agree the idea it was an execution is absolute non sense. The use of force happened as soon as he was taken down though and transitioned into deadly use of force but im tired and I no longer remember after several hours why I asked and the issue no longer matters. In a couple weeks there will be a new entertainment that DI will politically blow out of proportion im sure lol

And if you understood how use of force training happens in other kinds of agencies, you would know that there is absolutely a "going by". Thus the differentiation.
In my line of work, the broad 'use of force' definition is not used because it is not necessary. 
I don't really understand what your attitude is about if you generally agree with what I said. Annee called it an execution, which is absolute nonsense, and you agree. So what's with the attitude? Do we need to bust out a ruler and do some measuring or something?