3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[SomeStupidName]

Trump and Walz sound pretty chummy

I don't think there's going to be a fraud investigation

yep, It's over the Marxist have won. Trump is loser, he should probably resign as well.

[cherokeetroy]

yep, It's over the Marxist have won. Trump is loser, he should probably resign as well.

It's just more Trump duplicity that MAGA continues to ignore 

Carry on

[KrustyKrab]

Buddy, it happened in this very thread.

One user even said, I think the Feds are doing Pretti Good. Got lots of upvotes too.

No, not everyone is celebrating it, but a few are. No need to gaslight. Everyone has read a good amount of the thread.

I’m not celebrating it but I couldn’t care less about some dipchit that voluntarily put himself in a position to be harmed.   The mindset to purposely go out and harass law enforcement is insane to me, when the very people they’re harassing are removing dangerous criminals from our communities.   Someone make that shit make sense???

As Spock used to say it’s “highly illogical”

I keep going back to this just like others here……He’d still be alive had he stayed at home.   He had no business being there.

[KrustyKrab]

Some are still trying to pretend this is all Pretti's fault despite the fact that Bovino is being reassigned, and has lost his social media privileges.

Never mind the growing number of congressional Republicans calling for an investigation into the tactics being used by ICE.

Trump even posted about how he spoke with Wallz, and they are good now.

It his fault, no one else put him there but himself.  Jeeez it’s no wonder y’all have no understanding of the word accountability.

[Oldcarpy2]

It his fault, no one else put him there but himself.  Jeeez it’s no wonder y’all have no understanding of the word accountability.

Accountability works both ways.

Let's see how the investigation goes when the body cam footage is reviewed.

If it ever will be.

[putnam6]

It occurred a week before he died?

Probably why.

A broken rib is painful as hell,
3 guys were on him when he fell,
Struggling to get up, Alex did try
Now he's like those people who
died died 





There's a clever Charlie K verse, too

[CriticalStinker]

I’m not celebrating it but I couldn’t care less about some dipchit that voluntarily put himself in a position to be harmed.   The mindset to purposely go out and harass law enforcement is insane to me, when the very people they’re harassing are removing dangerous criminals from our communities.   Someone make that shit make sense???

As Spock used to say it’s “highly illogical”

I keep going back to this just like others here……He’d still be alive had he stayed at home.   He had no business being there.

I don’t think anyone would be surprised to know I’m opinionated, and regularly disagree with people. I can think someone does something stupid, something I would never do, but I can think that while also saying they still have all the same rights as I do.

It reminds me of David Goldberger, a Jewish Lawyer from the ACLU. He defended the first amendment rights of neo Nazis in the 70’s who wanted to march in a town that was 50% Jewish and even had holocaust survivors.

It should come to no surprise a lot of people were shocked by his willingness to defend them. I’ve heard a podcast or two from him and read some of his pieces. The crux of it comes down to (paraphrased) “if you don’t defend the rights of the most abhorrent people, it will slowly wither away for other groups”.

People could say I like pizza. We don’t need to protect that kind of speech, you see because it’s not uncomfortable.

But then one might say, ok, but this person is a criminal. Sure, that adds complexity because that might change how we deal with said person. But they still have rights to a fair trial.

When we try to just dismiss someone or something because it’s so disagreeable, it moves the line for those in power. They’re naturally going to want to move the line, it’s easier to rule if people are scared or you have more power. We’ve seen this in my short lifetime, in many different instances.

Each administration has tried to push the boundaries in how far we can push our constitutional rights, this admin not excluded. There have been talks of hate speech, executive orders against constitutional amendments, and testing of executive powers.

The only time rights are tested are when it’s uncomfortable. You’re welcome to discount that when you agree with the people in a position of authority, but I just see it as a stepping stone for someone else down the road.

I think the government should be held to a higher standard than our citizens, because they work for us. I don’t think they get more benefit of the doubt just because someone is challenging them. That is what we were built on, we’re a country born out of rebellion. That doesn’t mean I support someone rebelling in every instance, but it certainly doesn’t exempt them from a right to a trial of their peers either.

[Maxmars]

Im just discussing the topic; this is a message board. Unfortunately, I don't try to irritate people; it just happens naturally. 

I always enjoy your responses, and they usually make me look at issues differently.

Dad always said to engage with people who are more intelligent than you.

If you have evidence that DI's content is being manipulated, corrupted, or "botified."

You have a semi-responsibility to let its members know..
 
In any group setting, human nature and the laws of probability ensure that, given enough members, all types of human characteristics will eventually be represented.

FWIW, this is how many communicate now, get the news, form opinions etc.  Some suggest thats the plan all along, TPTB push a button, and X% of people follow that, while missing other governmental activities

I would like to cut to the chase and say it's not Deny Ignorance that is showing signs of "botification"... it's the behavior of some of our friends that seem to 'mimic' "bottery" (or should I say "bot"ulism?) because it's funny or cool (or inflammatory and engaging.)

This is what I see...
100,000 bots applaud, promote, share, and deploy "some utterance" ... that utterance becomes 'currency of coolness.'  It's same with memes.   (Actually, it applies to most all entertainment 'content' now - stats are out the window.)

Observing it demands no apologies, it's just there for all to see.

By all means, I never meant anything other than "carry on."

I applaud all DI member content - with special emphasis on "DI members."

Many of us remember what it meant to "have a place" where we're not "fed" news and thoughts.
For those members who think so, this can be what you make it... not that place.

We're only now starting to finish 'germinating'... 

We do still have many lost members to make that offer to, and many new members who tire of whatever the hell it is that other sites do out there.

It never concerns me when a member disagrees or challenges any notion of mine, (or even only an opinion)...
in fact, that is the whole point of the exercise for me... 

If we were not that place, what would DI be? 
We would be someplace else.

[chr0naut]

If your stats are true. Whites are around 61.6% of the population. So they should be doing the same percentage of the crimes. Only 41% though? So whites are committing less crime. 

I was not basing it on all crimes, just on murders.

However you are correct in that Caucasians are around 60% of the population.

Here's a breakdown of crimes by etnicity which shows that crimes by the people of the ethnicity that ICE target, are vanishingly small:



Source

Clearly the ethnic bias of ICE's mandate is not warranted on the basis of actual statistical data - It is the consequence of a leadership pandering to, and wilfully misinforming, the unsupported assumptions of racists.

[KrustyKrab]

I don’t think anyone would be surprised to know I’m opinionated, and regularly disagree with people. I can think someone does something stupid, something I would never do, but I can think that while also saying they still have all the same rights as I do.

It reminds me of David Goldberger, a Jewish Lawyer from the ACLU. He defended the first amendment rights of neo Nazis in the 70’s who wanted to march in a town that was 50% Jewish and even had holocaust survivors.

It should come to no surprise a lot of people were shocked by his willingness to defend them. I’ve heard a podcast or two from him and read some of his pieces. The crux of it comes down to (paraphrased) “if you don’t defend the rights of the most abhorrent people, it will slowly wither away for other groups”.

People could say I like pizza. We don’t need to protect that kind of speech, you see because it’s not uncomfortable.

But then one might say, ok, but this person is a criminal. Sure, that adds complexity because that might change how we deal with said person. But they still have rights to a fair trial.

When we try to just dismiss someone or something because it’s so disagreeable, it moves the line for those in power. They’re naturally going to want to move the line, it’s easier to rule if people are scared or you have more power. We’ve seen this in my short lifetime, in many different instances.

Each administration has tried to push the boundaries in how far we can push our constitutional rights, this admin not excluded. There have been talks of hate speech, executive orders against constitutional amendments, and testing of executive powers.

The only time rights are tested are when it’s uncomfortable. You’re welcome to discount that when you agree with the people in a position of authority, but I just see it as a stepping stone for someone else down the road.

I think the government should be held to a higher standard than our citizens, because they work for us. I don’t think they get more benefit of the doubt just because someone is challenging them. That is what we were built on, we’re a country born out of rebellion. That doesn’t mean I support someone rebelling in every instance, but it certainly doesn’t exempt them from a right to a trial of their peers either.

Just don’t conflate your “rights”.   He has the right to peacefully assemble, he has no right to impede or interfere with active law enforcement operations.  That’s where his rights ended and theirs began.