Trump Neurosis Thread

[putnam6]

"Yeah, I think Americans see the 2 tours of duty in Afghanistan Marine in much higher regard. Pretty much if he wants the Republican nomination it's his. One reason every minor hiccup in the administration next 4 years, will be examined, re-examined, dissected, and memed across the globe. "

Two tours of duty?

He was a public affairs officer who never saw combat?!!!!

Please, be real.

Never said suggested or inferred he was in combat, he still did 2 tours when he didn't have to.

Just because you were assigned to non-combat in the country it makes you less of a Marine? duly noted...FFS

[Oldcarpy2]

Never said suggested or inferred he was in combat, he still did 2 tours when he didn't have to.

Just because you were assigned to non-combat in the country it makes you less of a Marine? duly noted...FFS

Come off it, mate?

Please, be real. You said "two tours of duty" , with all that implies.


As opposed to a Marine that did two tours of actual combat duty? Obviously, yes.

Vance is a mouthy tw@t who was about as welcome in Greenland as a turd in a swimming pool.

Apparently, he didn't realise it would be cold in Greenland.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

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No reason to fear the Anti-MAGA neurosis, it's self-immolative... like all other martyrdom is.

And since we are on it...

I want to have the rights of a student protestor on a visa - that can now be deported for calling Trump a fascist, supporting Palestine, or posting 'anti-government' statements.

If they don't get rights, I don't want them either. The constitution I read says visa holders and illegal immigrants have free speech under the first amendment. They can peacefully assemble (not riot), praise the ground AOC walks on, and post all the "F* Israel" crap they want (as long as no threats of violence are made), in my interpretation.

So I don't want to be special or privileged anymore. Above those who think and support the wrong things with their dream, even ones for the things I don't support.

Can I self-denounce my citizenship and declare myself a protestor on a student visa? Do I need to call Hezbollah "Freedom Fighters" or something? How's that work?

The neurosis, the one i so noticeably suffer with, thinks it's a Therevada monk in Saigon all of a sudden.

[Oldcarpy2]

LOL jeez, this is like explaining a joke. Daily Mail has a large subscription base #2 in Great Britain IIRC.

The chances of Trump trying to get one extra term much less two is virtually nil, thus the article is paranoid sensationalistic twaddle, intended to stoke the fears of essentially a Trump monarchy. Additional terms that have ABSOLUTELY zero chance of occurring.

So you dismiss the Daily Mail as a source and "lol" it off.

Well, here it is from Trump, himself:

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/tru...ngNewsSerp

Many other sources available.

"Trump, who took office on January 20 for his second, non-consecutive White House term, has made vague allusions to seeking a third one but addressed it directly on Sunday in a telephone interview with NBC News."

"No, I'm not joking. I’m not joking," Trump said, but "it is far too early to think about it."

Still find it funny?

[putnam6]

No reason to fear the Anti-MAGA neurosis, it's self-immolative... like all other martyrdom is.

And since we are on it...

I want to have the rights of a student protestor on an F1 visa - that can now be deported for calling Trump a fascist, supporting Palestine, or posting 'anti-government' statements.

If they don't get rights, I don't want them either. The constitution I read says visa holders and illegal immigrants have free speech under the first amendment.

I don't want to be special or privileged anymore. Above them.

Can I self-denounce my citizenship and declare myself a protestor on a student visa? Do I need to call Hezbollah "Freedom Fighters" or something? How's that work? Does supporting "black nationalism" count as "antiznational"?

The neurosis, the one i so noticeably suffer with, thinks it's a monk in Tibet all of a sudden.

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It's not that bleak... I was in a basement fire as a kid 

and the monk's self-immolation ALWAYS had a profound effect on me but as an adult

Salesmanship 101 endures, never discuss politics and religion

There's no real fear for the anti-MAGA crowd or thier growing neuroticism. All the left has left is the daily whinging 

Im more concerned for the afflicted individuals themselves, our collective mental health isn't all that it could be as it is. Now we have this 

Have said it here before we were better in 70s when the GP's distrust of the government REGARDLESS of "party" was prominent.  

I try and unload my thoughts here, so I don't have to participate in political discourse in the real world.  I need to discuss other topics with people regardless of their political persuasion.

It's no different in the last 4 years trying to not discuss politics with the enflamed Trumpers. Hell that might have been more difficult

As for your citizenship problems pretty sure all you need to do is renounce your citizenship here and find a host country with a quick path to citizenship that also gives immigrant visa cardholders the same rights as natural-born citizens.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegley...ew-report/

Argentina offers one of the shortest naturalization periods in the world, granting citizenship after just two years of legal residency, according to International Living. While applicants must show strong ties to the country, such as employment or property ownership, Argentina’s lenient residency requirements make this an appealing option.

Paraguay also grants citizenship after three years of residency, says International Living. It is known for its straightforward residency process and relatively low investment requirements, making it a popular choice for people seeking a second passport with minimal bureaucracy.

According to International Living, Vanuatu is the fastest option, offering citizenship in as little as two months with a minimum investment of $130,000. This Pacific island nation provides visa-free access to numerous countries, making it an attractive option for getting a quick passport.

Turkey’s citizenship by investment program allows applicants to obtain a passport in three to four months with a real estate investment of at least $400,000

In the Caribbean, Dominica offers one of the most affordable citizenship by investment programs, according to International Living, granting passports within six months for a minimum investment of $200,000

Can an individual denounce thier American citizenship get citizenship elsewhere return to America and get a visa?

Yes, an individual can renounce their American citizenship, obtain citizenship in another country, and then return to the United States by applying for a visa, but the process is complex and comes with significant legal and practical challenges.
Renouncing U.S. Citizenship
Renouncing American citizenship is a formal process. It requires the individual to:

• Appear before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer (typically at a U.S. embassy or consulate abroad).
  
• Sign an oath of renunciation.
  
• Submit the necessary paperwork.
  

Once this process is complete, the individual loses all rights and privileges associated with being a U.S. citizen, including the automatic right to live, work, or enter the United States without a visa.
Becoming a Citizen of Another Country
After renouncing U.S. citizenship, the individual can pursue citizenship in another country. The requirements for this vary depending on the laws of the country in question, such as residency periods, language proficiency, or other eligibility criteria. Once they obtain citizenship elsewhere, they are considered a foreign national under U.S. law.
Returning to the U.S. with a Visa
As a foreign national, the individual would need to apply for a visa to enter the United States. The type of visa depends on the purpose of their visit:

• Tourist Visa (e.g., B-2): For short-term visits, such as tourism or visiting family.
  
• Work Visa (e.g., H-1B): For employment, requiring sponsorship from a U.S. employer.
  
• Student Visa (e.g., F-1): For studying at a U.S. institution.
  
• Immigrant Visa: For those seeking permanent residency (a green card).
  

The application process involves meeting standard visa requirements, such as proving ties to their new country, demonstrating the purpose of their visit, and showing they do not intend to overstay.
Key Challenges and Considerations
While this sequence of events is legally possible, there are important hurdles:

1. Tax Avoidance Restrictions: Under the Reed Amendment, individuals who renounce U.S. citizenship to avoid taxes may be deemed inadmissible to the U.S. This could prevent them from obtaining a visa or entering the country, even if they meet other requirements.
   
2. Increased Scrutiny: As a former U.S. citizen, the individual might face additional questions during the visa application process. Immigration officers could scrutinize their intentions to ensure they are not trying to bypass U.S. laws.
   
3. No Guaranteed Approval: Visa approval is not automatic. It depends on the applicant’s background, the type of visa, and the discretion of U.S. immigration authorities.
   

Conclusion
In summary, an individual can renounce their American citizenship, gain citizenship elsewhere, and apply for a visa to return to the U.S. However, success is not guaranteed and depends on factors like the reason for renunciation and their ability to meet visa requirements. If the renunciation was not for tax avoidance and the individual qualifies for a visa, they could legally return to the U.S. under the terms of that visa, such as limited stays or specific activities like work or study.

[Oldcarpy2]

"There's no real fear for the anti-MAGA crowd or thier growing neuroticism. All the left has left is the daily whinging ".

You seem to conflate being anti MAGA with being on the "left".

Not so.

I am not remotely on the left.

It is increasingly obvious to many folk outside of the US that, under Trump, Musk and Vance et al that the US has gone a little....odd. Putting it mildly.

The only derangement I can see is the rabid MAGA fanatics defending and actively cheering on the indefensible.

[putnam6]

"There's no real fear for the anti-MAGA crowd or thier growing neuroticism. All the left has left is the daily whinging ".

You seem to conflate being anti MAGA with being on the "left".

Not so.

I am not remotely on the left.

It is increasingly obvious to many folk outside of the US that, under Trump, Musk and Vance et al that the US has gone a little....odd. Putting it mildly.

The only derangement I can see is the rabid MAGA fanatics defending and actively cheering on the indefensible.

Operative words would be, "outside of the US". 

Inside the US 52% of American voters supported Trump and Vance, most of those 52% don't give a squat what the outside world thinks

Trump was elected to fix America's domestic issues if our former NATO allies don't approve thats fine 

All Im suggesting is letting Trump run the country like the GP let "Biden" run the country and if it's a good ole British "cock up" logic suggests those 2% will vote differently in 2026 and 2028 ushering the return of the Democrats.

Or one can piss moan and whinge on Trump and his administration's every word and action daily for 4 years, which does motivate the Republican base especially if it's felt like he is being attacked unfairly or unjustly. Then all the Republican candidates will get a major boost with an influx of funding and organized help.

Hell, we are seeing this in the Wisconsin Judges' election and certainly saw this with the Amish vote and the effect of Pressler getting people to register to vote in Pennsylvania. None of that occurred without the constant harassment Trump endured from day one, the left said he was this or that and they made him the underdog again and he bit them on their azz. 

Now he is chewing on it, and the left and his detractors' squeals and whinging just make him chew harder and troll the hell out of them. Unconventional and uncouth perhaps but instead of court orders and injunctions just back a semi-moderate candidate instead of force-feeding and funding overly progressive causes to the nth degree.  

Trump won by 2% and there were lots of Republicans who didn't vote for Trump but many of those Republicans will vote for easily a Vance-led ticket or a Gabbard-led ticket.

It's not that "Trump neurosis" collectively adds up and becomes unbearable, it's the opposite the daily neurotic thoughts bounce around so much on social media and MSM normal people get tired of hearing about it.... its lost all of its impact, it has no substance anymore.

It's the parrot squawking incessantly "Look what Trump did" "Look what Trump did".

[Rigel4]

I have to say this.. I despise Trump , but he is only a symptom of 80 million Americans.

The current administration disgusts me to the core.
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America is done .. I speak for myself not my country UK
It's time to turn our back on this shit show for good.

[putnam6]

I have to say this.. I despise Trump , but he is only a symptom of 80 million Americans.

The current administration disgusts me to the core.
[--- Moderator EDIT - snipped---]

America is done .. I speak for myself not my country UK
It's time to turn our back on this shit show for good.

This thread might be right up your alley

America survived all the lunkheaded Presidents before Trump like Dubya, Biden, Nixon, Hoover, and Harding and confidence is high it will survive Trump. It might be different for a while but it doesn't work out, the other side gets its shot.  Again we will know in 4 years if not mid-terms. If it collapses in the next 4 years it was a dead man walking to begin with. 

FWIW for a country on its last legs, it sure has a truckload of people trying to get in. As well as a truckload of countries with thier hands out. 

Trump's revival was/is just an offshoot from the failed DNC, they had it all Congress the media, Hollywood, etc and they pissed away the advantage. All they had to do was run a live articulate person, they chose not to.

For a party that has 220 million plus followers, how the hell did they lose twice? How could they not find a viable candidate?  

but thats just me as Ive mentioned I don't get too emotional either way,  I wasn't pleased with Biden but I didn't lose my shit over his Presidency, all I want is some peace and some economic stability for the next 5-7 years.

I'll vote for that, which party can deliver 

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

It's not that bleak... I was in a basement fire as a kid 

and the monk's self-immolation ALWAYS had a profound effect on me but as an adult

Salesmanship 101 endures, never discuss politics and religion...

+ the reality of expat martyrdom. Trimmed quote.

Well that's why it's in the more hypothetical neurosis thread, and not in the reality thread.

That all seems like a pain in the ass for some ethical grass is greener crap.

Especially this:

Here's a more detailed explanation (of the pitfalls):

• Potential for Statelessness:

Renouncing your U.S. citizenship without acquiring another nationality can lead to statelessness, meaning you won't be a citizen of any country and may lack the protection of any government. 

• Travel Restrictions to the U.S.:

Even if you have another nationality, you'll need to obtain a visa or qualify for the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) to enter the United States after renouncing your U.S. citizenship. 

• Visa Requirements:

As a former U.S. citizen, you'll be treated as a non-citizen and will need to apply for a visa to travel to the United States. 

• Visa Ineligibility:

If you are found ineligible for a visa or the VWP, you could be barred from entering the United States. 

I mean, it's a long process. Other countries just don't let you cross into them and give you rights without going through a long process to do so. You gotta declare asylum at minimum. And that has to be granted.

We were in a drunken liberal conversation yesterday and the best option we could think of was to try Denmark.

You have to be in Denmark to try to declare it, but we thought there might be a pathway via empathizing with them over Trump and Greenland.

Something like...

"I can no longer reside in a nation that wants to take unnecessary territory for an imagined security concern. I liked seeing warm NATO relations, and I support both The EU and sovereignty of our allies. I don't want to align or be part of the belligerent country that convinces itself it needs a sparsely populated ice sheet for its alleged national security.

I don't feel it represents it's own ideals anymore. The statue of Liberty in now an Ironic oxidized vestige of its previous dream that no longer represents what brought my ancestors here at the turn of the 20th century.

I feel It's mentality is trending fascist on X and I want out. Its over once a nation purges its progressive intellectuals..." and so on like that.

I highly doubt any amount of kissing Denmark's ass would get you anywhere, so it's probably not worth trying.

Still, legitimately renouncing your citizenship is like quitting your job. You get a new one before you get to do this.