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03-14-2025, 08:11 AM
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(03-14-2025, 08:04 AM)putnam6 Wrote: if true this could be great news...
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JUST IN - Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent Donald Trump a message about his proposal for a ceasefire in Ukraine via Trump's special envoy, the Kremlin said on Friday, adding that it saw grounds for "cautious optimism" that a deal could be reached — Reuters
Meanwhile in Russia, Putin dons his military fatigues and talks about liberating Kursk.
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(03-14-2025, 08:04 AM)putnam6 Wrote: if true this could be great news...
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JUST IN - Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent Donald Trump a message about his proposal for a ceasefire in Ukraine via Trump's special envoy, the Kremlin said on Friday, adding that it saw grounds for "cautious optimism" that a deal could be reached — Reuters
Sending good vibrations
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(03-14-2025, 08:11 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Meanwhile in Russia, Putin dons his military fatigues and talks about liberating Kursk.
Of course, he is, he is already negotiating virtually telegraphing you had better decide or Im going to just continue to take whatever territory I can.
Do I like it, of course not.
But it's an effective tactic and all's fair in love and war
I would rather have Russia plant flowers in the barrels and skedaddle back to Moscow, but thats not likely to happen
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(03-14-2025, 09:08 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Of course, he is, he is already negotiating virtually telegraphing you had better decide or Im going to just continue to take whatever territory I can.
Do I like it, of course not.
But it's an effective tactic and all's fair in love and war
I would rather have Russia plant flowers in the barrels and skedaddle back to Moscow, but thats not likely to happen
Here's an interesting interview with a psychiatrist who studied Putin over a very long period of time.
Putin always believed and stated that "Ukraine is not a real country".
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03-14-2025, 09:33 AM
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(03-14-2025, 09:15 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Here's an interesting interview with a psychiatrist who studied Putin over a very long period of time.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFF4I2Gr_h8]
Putin always believed and stated that "Ukraine is not a real country".
Listening to the video now, he has some good insights.
The bottom line somebody has to negotiate with him, Russia isn't going to overthrow him, and Ukraine is rightfully emotionally raw from the last 3 years. So we have this back and forth all the while Russia will try and increase it's positions in Ukraine
Ive always found it's important to read all of the countries involved, media, and news reports on a subject even government-controlled Tass and Pravda
Hell I thought they would be flabbergasted and non-commital there might be something to work with here.
Quote:Press review: Putin backs ceasefire but calls for talks as Russian army shifts Kursk frontTop stories from the Russian press on Friday, March 14th
[Image: https://cdn-media.tass.ru/width/1020_b92...440669.jpg]© Sofya Sandurskaya/TASSMOSCOW, March 14. /TASS/. Vladimir Putin supports the idea of a ceasefire in the Ukraine conflict but sees a need for thorough discussion; the Russian army’s progress in the Kursk Region alters the frontline situation; and Armenia, Azerbaijan reach an agreement on a draft peace accord. These stories have topped Friday’s newspaper headlines across Russia.
Media: Putin supports ceasefire proposal but stresses need for detailed discussionsRussia agrees with proposals to end military operations but believes that the process should lead to a lasting peace, President Vladimir Putin said. When discussing the nuances that required attention, he highlighted the situation in the Kursk Region, where the Russian Armed Forces are steadily advancing, the continued weapons supplies to Kiev and Ukraine’s mobilization campaign, as well as the need for mechanisms to monitor the ceasefire, Vedomosti writes.
IN BRIEF: Russia for truce, but 'nuances' remain — highlights of Putin's remarks to mediaThe Trump administration may show flexibility when discussing the Ukraine conflict but it is unlikely to meet all of Russia’s conditions as it seeks to demonstrate strength, Alexey Naumov, author of the VneshPol Telegram channel, said. He believes that Moscow’s direct refusal to accept this initiative would be another red line for Trump, which he may interpret as a personal insult. "However, I doubt that Moscow is considering such an option," Naumov stressed. Still, in his words, "the US realizes that the strategic advantage is on Russia’s side and a continued conflict will harm Washington."
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Elsewhere the G7 leaders used terse words
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Foreign ministers from the G7 nations reached a deal on a joint statement aimed at showing unity that backed Ukraine's territorial integrity and warned Russia to follow Kyiv in accepting a ceasefire or face possible further sanctions
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(03-14-2025, 09:33 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Listening to the video now, he has some good insights.
The bottom line somebody has to negotiate with him, Russia isn't going to overthrow him, and Ukraine is rightfully emotionally raw from the last 3 years. So we have this back and forth all the while Russia will try and increase it's positions in Ukraine
Ive always found it's important to read all of the countries involved, media, and news reports on a subject even government-controlled Tass and Pravda
Hell I thought they would be flabbergasted and non-commital there might be something to work with here.
Yeah, well, Zelensky is saying Putin is manipulating everyone to stall for time to take Kursk and who knows what else.
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So has Z even returned to Ukraine in the past few weeks? Last I heard he was hobnobbing in Saudi Arabia.
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(03-14-2025, 10:23 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: So has Z even returned to Ukraine in the past few weeks? Last I heard he was hobnobbing in Saudi Arabia.
"Hobnobbing"?
He was attending crucial peace talks.
I now know why I am called a grown up. Every time I get up I groan.
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(03-14-2025, 09:15 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Here's an interesting interview with a psychiatrist who studied Putin over a very long period of time.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFF4I2Gr_h8]
Putin always believed and stated that "Ukraine is not a real country".
Interesting video.
Heres my rough transcription
Putin hyper intelligent and great linguist. He drives a hard bargain and negotiating is difficult.
Speeches pre 2000's to now are like 360 degrees apart.
Something in him snapped After the Color Revolutions.
He turned from West to East.
He said essentially 'Ukraine is not a real country'
To borrow a phrase from Trump , Putin believes he has all the cards and believes he's winning and can wear everyone down with a long game.
He can be negotiated with if you look at the August hostage trades, but always on his terms. He only respects strength and reciprocity.
Fallacy with him is 'finding pain points on Putin' bad news, he has none. Sanctions dont work. Enticements might work. Thats what Trump is bold and welcoming to Russia. Back to G8 and family of 'civilisation'
Important to Putin is respect on the world stage. Unfortunately he doesnt respond to threats. People that think Russians do respond to threats, have never lived in Russia.
Talk of the US-Russian Hedge Fund of the past, and us funding now, one of Putin's top negotiators, ironically, who is head of the Russian Soverign Fund.
Russian saying 'We don't take/show our trash out of our house (in public)/we don't hang our dirty laundry out for the eyes of the world.' The meeting with Z and Trump should have happened in private, like all such past meetings. Now the US and Ukraine look weak.
Trump uses high risk high reward negotiating.
'Reverse Kissinger'
Our meetings are too public.
Zelensky should approach Trump with more decorum and deference. He should have used an interpreter (like I said as this mess was occurring).
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