Plane collides with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC

[Zaphod58]

JIA 5342 was just south of the Woodrow bridge exactly when DCA said it was, and visual approved. Did you see 2 planes at the bridge at exactly that time? I didn’t.

If PAT25 saw them when told, there is no excuse that they lost sight of them as they approached the runway.

And there is no excuse they didn’t see them when told exactly where they were either.

It has also been reported they were not approved to fly above 200 feet so that is another inexcusable action from PAT25.

My opinion is that is 3 strikes against them, no coincidence.

My opinion is that you have zero idea what you’re talking about and nothing anyone says is going to change that you’ve already decided what happened. You’ll just hand wave away any reports and conclusions you don’t agree with so there’s no point in even trying anymore.

[MonkMode]

My opinion is that you have zero idea what you’re talking about and nothing anyone says is going to change that you’ve already decided what happened. You’ll just hand wave away any reports and conclusions you don’t agree with so there’s no point in even trying anymore.

With all the names of the PAT25 crew now released, I haven’t been able to find any glaring red flags about the crew yet…

But again:

Strike1
ATC precisely pinpointed the location of the CRJ just south of the Woodrow bridge, and told PAT25 of its exact approach path to runway 33. Visual approved.

Strike2
PAT25 ignored this warning, spent the next minute flying almost directly at the CRJ, crossing its path and blind siding it just as it turned toward runway 33.

Strike3
PAT25 location flying about 100 feet higher than the approved 200 ft altitude for the busy DCA airport.

[Zaphod58]

With all the names of the PAT25 crew now released, I haven’t been able to find any glaring red flags about the crew yet…

But again:

Strike1
ATC precisely pinpointed the location of the CRJ just south of the Woodrow bridge, and told PAT25 of its exact approach path to runway 33. Visual approved.

Strike2
PAT25 ignored this warning, spent the next minute flying almost directly at the CRJ, crossing its path and blind siding it just as it turned toward runway 33.

Strike3
PAT25 location flying about 100 feet higher than the approved 200 ft altitude for the busy DCA airport.

Strike 1- You have never flown before and have zero idea what happens in a cockpit or what they saw.

Strike 2- You have no idea what happens in a cockpit or what the crew did or didn't do, but seem to think you do.

Strike 3- You have zero understanding of mechanical issues or equipment not reading correctly and have no idea what you don't know.

[putnam6]

The most glaring mistake was the H-60 was too high, for the route. Stay below 200 feet and they will hit some turbulence but will miss each other, am I wrong?

One question I have so if they are using night vision wouldn't that have a HUD where the altitude heading and other info is easily seen?


https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/psa-a...ington-dc/

The chart below depicts the special helicopter routes in the Washington DC area. The NTSB confirmed in its 30 January briefing that the H-60 was flying south transiting from Route 1 to Route 4 along the Potomac River. The chart lists the maximum altitude along that particular route as 200 feet.

[Zaphod58]

The most glaring mistake was the H-60 was too high, for the route. Stay below 200 feet and they will hit some turbulence but will miss each other, am I wrong?

One question I have so if they are using night vision wouldn't that have a HUD where the altitude heading and other info is easily seen?


https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/psa-a...ington-dc/

The issue is that the radar may have been displaying 200 feet, when they were actually higher. The radar in the tower is fairly low fidelity, so it may have read a lower altitude than the Blackhawk was actually at, which would have added another layer to "They're going to miss" mentality by the controller. They won't be able to verify until tomorrow when they can read the CSMU from the Blackhawk.

[boredhere74]

The issue is that the radar may have been displaying 200 feet, when they were actually higher. The radar in the tower is fairly low fidelity, so it may have read a lower altitude than the Blackhawk was actually at, which would have added another layer to "They're going to miss" mentality by the controller. They won't be able to verify until tomorrow when they can read the CSMU from the Blackhawk.

Ok honest question, wouldn't the altitude be on a gauge in the helo? Or am I completely wrong and they depend on an outside source for altitude? If it was, why did none oe the crew notice a 150-200 ft difference of where they were cleared to be?

[putnam6]

The issue is that the radar may have been displaying 200 feet, when they were actually higher. The radar in the tower is fairly low fidelity, so it may have read a lower altitude than the Blackhawk was actually at, which would have added another layer to "They're going to miss" mentality by the controller. They won't be able to verify until tomorrow when they can read the CSMU from the Blackhawk.

Im just trying to wrap my head around it all, and put the map with the video, another thing isn't ATC supposed to call out heading and altitude? as in "flight xxx maintain adjust whatever the proper course heading and altitude, etc. and aren't you referring to the ATC radar? 

What did the altimeter in the helicopter say?

[Zaphod58]

Ok honest question, wouldn't the altitude be on a gauge in the helo? Or am I completely wrong and they depend on an outside source for altitude? If it was, why did none oe the crew notice a 150-200 ft difference of where they were cleared to be?

We don’t know what altitude the helicopter showed yet. They are expecting to read the CSMU today, so we’ll find out once they do.

[Zaphod58]

Im just trying to wrap my head around it all, and put the map with the video, another thing isn't ATC supposed to call out heading and altitude? as in "flight xxx maintain adjust whatever the proper course heading and altitude, etc. and aren't you referring to the ATC radar? 

What did the altimeter in the helicopter say?

That’s two of the questions that have to be answered. They’re expecting to read the CSMU from the helicopter today.

The controller was controlling several planes and didn’t call out the UH-60 to the CRJ for some reason, even though he called out the CRJ to the UH-60 several times. The CRJ crew was busy with the last minute runway change, and would have been looking for the runway and ensuring that they were lined up.

[quintessentone]

I think there could have been better communication or guidance from the tower, specifically making sure all aircraft confirmed that they actually could see each other because the aircraft could not hear each other being on different frequencies. The lack of confirming spacial location in such a busy airport, boggles my mind.