UFOs And Stopped Clocks

[quintessentone]

I was just reading this:

I was driving west on US I-70 toward Denver several years ago when a vicious downpour occurred. Lightening struck the highway about 100 feet in front of me and my car died !!! lol. I just sat there afew seconds and was able to get to the shoulder before I ran out of momentum. I turned off Key, lights, and everything and sat there wondering what to do next - I was panicked! My wife came up with the brilliant suggestion that I try to restart engine LOL. I did, and we continued trip. This never happened before or since, and I concluded it must have been EMP from the lightening.

https://www.quora.com/Does-an-EMP-affect...turned-off

I am under the impression there are different types of EMFs (electromagnetic, nuclear, solar etc.) and did the watches, battery operated devices etc. restart after the UFO left?

[AlienSun]

I was just reading this:

I am under the impression there are different types of EMFs (electromagnetic, nuclear, solar etc.) and did the watches, battery operated devices etc. restart after the UFO left?

The main problem is that we have the arrival of the ETs is that they have an attribute that we don't even dream about.  Stopping engines, and clocks are trivial compared to what has not even been touched on here.  Most people here may accept those physical conditions, begrudgingly, but few want to delve into the heart of such encounters that frequently involve mind-control of the victims along with the physical events. 
That is an aspect that no government or controlled scientist will ever talk about or admit to happening.  That truth, if fully known, would crush our humanity and the ETs would almost automatically be considered our enemy no matter how our government and ETs would want to make nice.

[UltraBudgie]

few want to delve into the heart of such encounters that frequently involve mind-control of the victims along with the physical events.

Hmm, such as?

...His involvement with UAP began after he was asked to use his "blood analysis instrumentation" to help with cases of pilots who were close to alleged UAPs and "horrible" brain damage.

...Approximately 100 patients, mostly "defense or governmental personnel or people working in the aerospace industry," were analyzed, Nolan told Motherboard.
Dr. Kit Green studied some of the people, from what Nolan called a "smorgasbord of patients."

"You have a smorgasbord of patients, some of whom had heard weird noises buzzing in their head, got sick, etc," Nolan said.

"A reasonable subset of them had claimed to have seen UAPs and some claimed to be close to things that got them sick."

Ultimately, his team learned the people, who they originally thought were damaged, had an "over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen."

The number of people that had this "over-connection" led to the open question: "Did coming in contact with whatever it was cause it or not?"

Nolan said that approximately a quarter of the MRI patients, who claimed they had an encounter, died from their injuries.

And the majority were found to have symptoms identical to Havana syndrome. — but some people who had seen UAPs didn't have Havana syndrome, and instead, a wide range of symptoms.

https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4249299/ufo...an-brains/

Is that this Kit Green, discussing telepathy? https://soundcloud.com/project333

[AlienSun]

That manner of writing and "reporting" seems way over the top, worthy of needing half a dozen or more citations of authenticity.  All I can respond to are my own experiences, what I was imparted with/to and sixty years of coming to terms.  I have a several-page paper that I wrote back in about 1968 for myself and for Dr. Leo Sprinkle, former head of the Philosophy department at the University of Wyoming.  He deeply worked with survivors of UFO "events."  This was long before PTSD became a household word.  _--Which, as far as I know, has never been correctly applied to people having had intense UFO encounters.  My paper was entitled "Mental Health and the UFO Experiencer."  --We are veterans and should be suing the government for not protecting us and for their constant lies in regard to the interactions they have with the ETs.

My views may be dated for I do not follow any of the material or shenanigans going on in the field.  It is a mixed of the wild and controlled, rarely seen as a gestalt upon humanity itself which it exactly is.  About all a lay person can do today is to watch the movie Close Encounters... and absorb the individual truths found therein, and to reject nothing it suggests.

[Karl12]

I am under the impression there are different types of EMFs (electromagnetic, nuclear, solar etc.) and did the watches, battery operated devices etc. restart after the UFO left?

Fair point mate and in virtually all these cases the EM effects (if that's what they are) stopped directly after the object departed - there's also speculation that exotic plasmas can cause hallucinations upon the human consciousness but suppose physical trace evidence: broken tree limbs, dehydrated soil, radar confirmation etc. makes the purely imaginary hypothesis untenable.

If we take this case from the Levelland flap then it's worth pointing out that the USAF completely ignored the alleged presence of the object and instead just claimed that everything was due to 'an electrical storm which stimulated the populace into a high level of excitement'.

Trouble was (as atmospherical physicist Dr James E. McDonald pointed out) there had been no storm in the area at the time and 'thus no source of excessive moisture to interfere with the automobiles' electrical systems'.

November 6th, 1957 - Santa Fe, Texas.

Residents J. Martinez and A. Galegoz were driving down the highway and witness an 'egg shaped object with red, green and yellow lights' approaching them at a very low altitude.

The unknown object came directly over their car and illuminated the entire area with 'a great glow' - a loud humming noise was also reported.

Car engine dies and both their wristwatches stop working.

Thread

Really interesting phenomenon though (especially motor vehicle cases) and am open to discussing all explanations that account for all aspects.

Some already posted in the thread but below are some further links on motor vehicle EM effects:






• UFO INTERFERENCE WITH VEHICLES
AND SELF-STARTING ENGINES - James M. McCampbell

• THE EFFECTS OF POSITION AND DISTANCE IN
UFO IGNITION-INTERFERENCE CASES - Donald A. Johnson

• Electromagnetic Effects, Car Engines & UFOs - Kevin Randle / 2


• Vehicle Encounter / Pacing Cases






Also, some of the official USAF UFO debunks are complete bollocks so if you have any views (or know of any other examples) then please post.

[quintessentone]

Fair point mate and in virtually all these cases the EM effects (if that's what they are) stopped directly after the object departed - there's also speculation that exotic plasmas can cause hallucinations upon the human consciousness but suppose physical trace evidence: broken tree limbs, dehydrated soil, radar confirmation etc. makes the purely imaginary hypothesis untenable.

If we take this case from the Levelland flap then it's worth pointing out that the USAF completely ignored the alleged presence of the object and instead just claimed that everything was due to 'an electrical storm which stimulated the populace into a high level of excitement'.

Trouble was (as atmospherical physicist Dr James E. McDonald pointed out) there had been no storm in the area at the time and 'thus no source of excessive moisture to interfere with the automobiles' electrical systems'.









Really interesting phenomenon though (especially motor vehicle cases) and am open to discussing all explanations that account for all aspects.

Some already posted in the thread but below are some further links on motor vehicle EM effects:






• UFO INTERFERENCE WITH VEHICLES
AND SELF-STARTING ENGINES - James M. McCampbell

• THE EFFECTS OF POSITION AND DISTANCE IN
UFO IGNITION-INTERFERENCE CASES - Donald A. Johnson

• Electromagnetic Effects, Car Engines & UFOs - Kevin Randle / 2


• Vehicle Encounter / Pacing Cases






Also, some of the official USAF UFO debunks are complete bollocks so if you have any views (or know of any other examples) then please post.

I am just wondering about the quartz in timepieces, specifically that it may conduct outside forces and then overload.

Even with power lines the amount of electricity flowing through those lines can increase substantially depending on type of line and also demand.

Quotes from AI searches:
 

Piezoelectric effect Quartz is a piezoelectric material, meaning it generates voltage when struck and vibrates when subjected to voltage. 

Typically, high voltage lines carry electricity at levels ranging from 69,000 volts to several hundred thousand volts.

I was just listening to the Travis Walton abduction account again, and the work truck the guys were in never stopped working before and after Travis was struck by the UFO's beam, but their work hats did register higher than normal radiation levels, supposedly.

It seems to me that the investigators of the Levelland case may have been on to something about atmospheric electricity.
 

Atmospheric electricity involves both thunderstorms, which create lightning bolts to rapidly discharge huge amounts of atmospheric charge stored in storm clouds, and the continual electrification of the air due to ionization from cosmic rays and natural radioactivity, which ensure that the atmosphere is never quite neutral.[sup][[/sup]

I mean the ozone layer over that region during that time in 1957 was supposedly stable(?)

Was the good doctor, atmospherical physicist Dr James E. McDonald, back in 1957 only looking at moisture levels?

As for exotic and everyday plasmas (the fourth state of matter(?)), sure that and many other theories, I am sure, should be put out there so we can at least continue discussion and debate.

If other explanations or science can explain the effects or aftereffects from alleged UFO encounters then we should put that forth.

Everyday plasmas:

Lighting (florescent/neon signs), TVs, lightning, aurora,... 

flames ... etc.

https://youtu.be/eVNtIjbezLA?si=VAK8Za8CFckVQmIE

Should we be trying to figure out the emission spectrum of the UFO beam to determine what it could be?

As for explanations as to what causes human hallucinations and/or human belief in the reality of a UFO encounter, well that would entail a very long and complicated discussion.

Great thread by the way.

[Karl12]

Bravo mate, great reply and good to have you on the forum - am at a colossal piss up celebration at the mo but will certainly reply later to each of your points.

[UltraBudgie]

Bravo mate, great reply and good to have you on the forum - am at a colossal piss up celebration at the mo but will certainly reply later to each of your points.

I believe the phrase is "conducting group research in subjective non-linear time flow".

Have fun. Don't black out.

[AlienSun]

"Should we be trying to figure out the emission spectrum of the UFO beam to determine what it could be?

The Air Force did that already back in the 60s.  The put the equipment on some fighter planes.  It was reported in the classic book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, by Capt. Edward Ruppelt, the head of Project Bluebook for awhile in those days.  New copies of that book are/were available very cheaply on Amazon a year ago or so.  I guess the CIA had them republished to help cover their butts, but reading between (or around some) official obviously approved) words can be insightful

[Karl12]

I believe the phrase is "conducting group research in subjective non-linear time flow".

Have fun. Don't black out.

Oh dear - feeling a bit rough today lol

Here's another really 'odd' motor case involving a stopped wristwatch.