Martian Clocks: Phobos and Deimos

[AlienSun]

Looking Askew at Mar’s moons Phobos and Deimos


Both moons orbit over the equator of Mars. That is an interesting fact in itself, but only the beginning of the strange, telling basic facts of the two. Phobos is falling inward, and Deimos is moving outward.
However, Deimos has a near-synchronous with its primary even as it moves slowly away. That is an astounding fact not well known and is rarely mentioned in that fashion in any published details of Mars. Given that peculiar orbit, that fact suggests that at one point in the distant past it was exactly in a purposeful, synchronous motion with Mars.
We have communication satellites in such orbits around earth since 1964. They exist in that mode as a nifty astrophysics trick worked out by Obers in 1922 and reminded to us in a science-fiction story by Arthur C. Clarke in 1945. Such an orbit would be virtually impossible for nature to produce on its own.
If we were curious enough and capable enough, we could do math work and come within a cosmic epoch or two within when Deimos was in an exact stationary orbit over one point on Mars. That would be an astounding revelation of the general point of when a Mars civilization was flourishing. That time would have been tens of millions of years ago. Its current orbit has slowed and lags over time to about 3.3 hours behind matching the motion with the planet as its orbit very slowly drifts outward.
Phobos, also, provides surprising information, but to the exact opposite. Being closer to Mars at about 3700 miles, it orbits in 7 hours and 39 minutes, making about three quick passes lagging around Mars during the Martian day of 24 hours and 37 minutes. It is moving inward due to the drag of the thin atmosphere combined with gravity and slowly gaining velocity.
Were it at a higher and slower orbit, which it must have had at one point millions of years ago, it could have been at one point a precise, astronomical “clock” for the Martians, dividing the day into three equal parts.
I assume that any astronomer or astrophysicist worthy of their degree could easily work out the epoch of time when there was an extended, highly technological civilization on Mars and its moons. That assumption further assumes that Martians could easily have visited earth in those times in a far better fashion than what we hope to use to gain Mars! I further assume from our missions, that at least the US and Russia know that Phobos and Deimos are artificially placed and once we can access them, we will gain immense shortcuts in all fields of exploration and science. I semi-jokingly assume Elon Musk to be the modern tomb raider.

[Quantum12]

Looking Askew at Mar’s moons Phobos and Deimos


Both moons orbit over the equator of Mars. That is an interesting fact in itself, but only the beginning of the strange, telling basic facts of the two. Phobos is falling inward, and Deimos is moving outward.
However, Deimos has a near-synchronous with its primary even as it moves slowly away. That is an astounding fact not well known and is rarely mentioned in that fashion in any published details of Mars. Given that peculiar orbit, that fact suggests that at one point in the distant past it was exactly in a purposeful, synchronous motion with Mars.
We have communication satellites in such orbits around earth since 1964. They exist in that mode as a nifty astrophysics trick worked out by Obers in 1922 and reminded to us in a science-fiction story by Arthur C. Clarke in 1945. Such an orbit would be virtually impossible for nature to produce on its own.
If we were curious enough and capable enough, we could do math work and come within a cosmic epoch or two within when Deimos was in an exact stationary orbit over one point on Mars. That would be an astounding revelation of the general point of when a Mars civilization was flourishing. That time would have been tens of millions of years ago. Its current orbit has slowed and lags over time to about 3.3 hours behind matching the motion with the planet as its orbit very slowly drifts outward.
Phobos, also, provides surprising information, but to the exact opposite. Being closer to Mars at about 3700 miles, it orbits in 7 hours and 39 minutes, making about three quick passes lagging around Mars during the Martian day of 24 hours and 37 minutes. It is moving inward due to the drag of the thin atmosphere combined with gravity and slowly gaining velocity.
Were it at a higher and slower orbit, which it must have had at one point millions of years ago, it could have been at one point a precise, astronomical “clock” for the Martians, dividing the day into three equal parts.
I assume that any astronomer or astrophysicist worthy of their degree could easily work out the epoch of time when there was an extended, highly technological civilization on Mars and its moons. That assumption further assumes that Martians could easily have visited earth in those times in a far better fashion than what we hope to use to gain Mars! I further assume from our missions, that at least the US and Russia know that Phobos and Deimos are artificially placed and once we can access them, we will gain immense shortcuts in all fields of exploration and science. I semi-jokingly assume Elon Musk to be the modern tomb raider.

The moons were placed for sure! This is a great thread!

[AlienSun]

Looking Askew at Mar’s moons Phobos and Deimos


Both moons orbit over the equator of Mars. That is an interesting fact in itself, but only the beginning of the strange, telling basic facts of the two. Phobos is falling inward, and Deimos is moving outward.
However, Deimos has a near-synchronous with its primary even as it moves slowly away. That is an astounding fact not well known and is rarely mentioned in that fashion in any published details of Mars. Given that peculiar orbit, that fact suggests that at one point in the distant past it was exactly in a purposeful, synchronous motion with Mars.
We have communication satellites in such orbits around earth since 1964. They exist in that mode as a nifty astrophysics trick worked out by Obers in 1922 and reminded to us in a science-fiction story by Arthur C. Clarke in 1945. Such an orbit would be virtually impossible for nature to produce on its own.
If we were curious enough and capable enough, we could do math work and come within a cosmic epoch or two within when Deimos was in an exact stationary orbit over one point on Mars. That would be an astounding revelation of the general point of when a Mars civilization was flourishing. That time would have been tens of millions of years ago. Its current orbit has slowed and lags over time to about 3.3 hours behind matching the motion with the planet as its orbit very slowly drifts outward.
Phobos, also, provides surprising information, but to the exact opposite. Being closer to Mars at about 3700 miles, it orbits in 7 hours and 39 minutes, making about three quick passes lagging around Mars during the Martian day of 24 hours and 37 minutes. It is moving inward due to the drag of the thin atmosphere combined with gravity and slowly gaining velocity.
Were it at a higher and slower orbit, which it must have had at one point millions of years ago, it could have been at one point a precise, astronomical “clock” for the Martians, dividing the day into three equal parts.
I assume that any astronomer or astrophysicist worthy of their degree could easily work out the epoch of time when there was an extended, highly technological civilization on Mars and its moons. That assumption further assumes that Martians could easily have visited earth in those times in a far better fashion than what we hope to use to gain Mars! I further assume from our missions, that at least the US and Russia know that Phobos and Deimos are artificially placed and once we can access them, we will gain immense shortcuts in all fields of exploration and science. I semi-jokingly assume Elon Musk to be the modern tomb raider.

[AlienSun]

Thanks!  Phobos is the key to knowing what Mars once was....  The Viking mission and the Last Russian mission were attempts to learn the secrets of Phobos.  The former succeeded successfully, both in the search for life experiments on the surface of the planet ( but denied) and especially in the images of Phobos that were released before they completely understood that Phobos had been manually moved into its position and traces of that action were woefully unrecognized.  I may pare down a long article I have on how Phobos was manipulated into position to make those remarkable grooves.

[AlienSun]

Looking Askew at Mar’s moons Phobos and Deimos


Both moons orbit over the equator of Mars. That is an interesting fact in itself, but only the beginning of the strange, telling basic facts of the two. Phobos is falling inward, and Deimos is moving outward.
However, Deimos has a near-synchronous with its primary even as it moves slowly away. That is an astounding fact not well known and is rarely mentioned in that fashion in any published details of Mars. Given that peculiar orbit, that fact suggests that at one point in the distant past it was exactly in a purposeful, synchronous motion with Mars.
We have communication satellites in such orbits around earth since 1964. They exist in that mode as a nifty astrophysics trick worked out by Obers in 1922 and reminded to us in a science-fiction story by Arthur C. Clarke in 1945. Such an orbit would be virtually impossible for nature to produce on its own.
If we were curious enough and capable enough, we could do math work and come within a cosmic epoch or two within when Deimos was in an exact stationary orbit over one point on Mars. That would be an astounding revelation of the general point of when a Mars civilization was flourishing. That time would have been tens of millions of years ago. Its current orbit has slowed and lags over time to about 3.3 hours behind matching the motion with the planet as its orbit very slowly drifts outward.
Phobos, also, provides surprising information, but to the exact opposite. Being closer to Mars at about 3700 miles, it orbits in 7 hours and 39 minutes, making about three quick passes lagging around Mars during the Martian day of 24 hours and 37 minutes. It is moving inward due to the drag of the thin atmosphere combined with gravity and slowly gaining velocity.
Were it at a higher and slower orbit, which it must have had at one point millions of years ago, it could have been at one point a precise, astronomical “clock” for the Martians, dividing the day into three equal parts.
I assume that any astronomer or astrophysicist worthy of their degree could easily work out the epoch of time when there was an extended, highly technological civilization on Mars and its moons. That assumption further assumes that Martians could easily have visited earth in those times in a far better fashion than what we hope to use to gain Mars! I further assume from our missions, that at least the US and Russia know that Phobos and Deimos are artificially placed and once we can access them, we will gain immense shortcuts in all fields of exploration and science. I semi-jokingly assume Elon Musk to be the modern tomb raider.

[AlienSun]

The recent episode of The Why Files called Project Redsun is such an abomination of info intended for public consumption that I can hardly believe it.  I suspect it stems from an email that I sent to the producers a few months ago detailing some of the real clues to show that intelligent activities have been done to Phobos, thus, Mars did once, at least, had a highly technological civilization.  I must conclude that, as some have already stated, that the production is a CIA front to keep the public mind in check.

[UltraBudgie]

The problem is, once you start picking at the loose threads of the history of the solar system, the whole tapestry starts to unravel to the point where it becomes impossible to contest a single point; you have to start addressing the whole web of lies on top of lies on top of lies, which makes criticizing NASA easily dismissible to the general public.

[AlienSun]

The problem is, once you start picking at the loose threads of the history of the solar system, the whole tapestry starts to unravel to the point where it becomes impossible to contest a single point; you have to start addressing the whole web of lies on top of lies on top of lies, which makes criticizing NASA easily dismissible to the general public.

 The original lie is that humans are (were) taught that they are supreme in the universe.  The species is stuck in believing that nothing else besides basic nature exists (existed) that could not be explained in human terms.  --That is how Science, (big "S") was constructed (outside of religions) and exists yet to the present.  That is what needs to be (and is) being turned on its head.  New thinking is all that is required, what I call "forward-thinking."  It is remarkably painless for some, but impossible for many.

[UltraBudgie]

I think a lot more people who practice science are open to that kind of thinking -- that there are things that cannot be explained in human terms -- than might be apparent. The just don't write papers mentioning it, usually. If they do, they tend to get scoffed at by the rabid materialists. One problem is that, as soon as you point to a particular thing and say, "that can never have an explanation we understand", the rational instinct is to ask "well, what else is unexplainable", and then try to build categorizations and boundaries around such things, so that they fit into some kind of paradigm. That then calcifies into dogma, and before you know it, boom! You gotta new religion. I'd like to hear more about this forward-thinking idea.