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Xi Aims To Overcome 'Thucydides Trap' In Talks With Trump: What It Means
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Trump in China this week with China Leader Xi Jinping.
Big talk about trade especially OIL!
China has a problem with Iran oil getting through.
China warns the U.S. of a "Thucydides Trap" concerning Tiawan !!

Most people never heard of a "Thucydides Trap" !!

What the heck does THAT mean?
Quote:Beijing:
Chinese President Xi Jinping opened his high-stakes meeting with Donald Trump by arguing that stabilising US-China ties mattered not just for both economies but for the world. He noted that their summit was being closely watched by the world and asked whether the two largest economies could escape the 'Thucydides Trap' and forge a new paradigm for major-power relations.

"The whole world is watching our meeting...Currently, a transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe, and the international situation is fluid and turbulent," he said. 

"Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations? Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world? Can we, in the interest of the well-being of our two peoples and the future of humanity, build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations?" 

Xi added that "cooperation benefits both sides, while confrontation harms both".


story from NDTV World...
 
Spin

Thucydides Trap (wiki)
Quote:The Thucydides Trap is a term popularized by American political scientist Graham Allison to describe an apparent tendency towards war when an emerging power threatens to displace an existing great power as a regional or international hegemon.[1] The term exploded in popularity in 2015 and primarily applies to analysis of China–United States relations.[2]

Supporting the thesis, Allison led a study at Harvard University's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs which found that, among a sample of 16 historical instances of an emerging power rivaling a ruling power, 12 ended in war.[3] That study, however, has come under considerable criticism, and scholarly opinion on the value of the Thucydides Trap concept—particularly as it relates to a potential military conflict between the United States and China—remains divided.
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If Trump can throw his allies under the bus as per usual and put $ first, not American people nor Israel first nor Taiwan first, $ first, then as Xi stated as well, they can work towards both mutually benefitting.

I wonder how much sway the big tech and corporate oligarchs, that are there with Trump, will have with Trump and Xi.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(05-14-2026, 09:31 AM)govshill2 Wrote: Trump in China this week with China Leader Xi Jinping.
Big talk about trade especially OIL!
China has a problem with Iran oil getting through.
China warns the U.S. of a "Thucydides Trap" concerning Tiawan !!

Most people never heard of a "Thucydides Trap" !!

What the heck does THAT mean?
Spin

Thucydides Trap (wiki)

It only happens like 75% to 80% of the time...
 
And so it was that it was decided China would rise to greatness in the East, and America would maintain its greatness in the West, because the only thing better than one autocratic nationalist superpower, are when two mutually agree to not get in each-others way anymore!

USA does USA, China does China. It could be like a new kind of Nash Equilibrium! 

Then the band played Hail To The Chief and Star Spangled Banner as a youth color guard expressed joy that such a monumental occasion required some disciplined smiling flag-waving kids. 

Now, whether or not the above is based in reality depends how you read into the (likely and forthcoming) "tactical pause" on the scheduled 14 million dollar Arms trade to Taiwan. It could be transactional and serve a role of negotiating a better deal with China. 

They are always masters of the non-commital.  The read between the line way to have a cake and eat it too! 

"The Arms deal is still totally on, Taiwan, we swear we are not backing down our support of The ROC, it's just that we are gonna have to pause it indefinitely because we can't spare any because of the war, and that has no underlying leverage reason behind it at all..."
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#4
Hypothetically, if some kinda Faustian deal is made between Trump and Xi, and it gives a nod to splitting the planet up for profit between the two, where does that leave Iran?

Meaning Iran still resides in the East as does Taiwan, so what does the West walk with?
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(05-14-2026, 08:27 PM)SteamyAmerican Wrote: Hypothetically, if some kinda Faustian deal is made between Trump and Xi, and it gives a nod to splitting the planet up for profit between the two, where does that leave Iran?

Meaning Iran still resides in the East as does Taiwan, so what does the West walk with?

They can't leave Russia out of this equation, especially since they are supplying Iran with arms to continue the war there. Unless Xi and Putin have yet to make their own separate Faustian clandestine deal.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(05-14-2026, 08:27 PM)SteamyAmerican Wrote: Hypothetically, if some kinda Faustian deal is made between Trump and Xi, and it gives a nod to splitting the planet up for profit between the two, where does that leave Iran?

Meaning Iran still resides in the East as does Taiwan, so what does the West walk with?


Many believe The West walks with .......

O-I-L   !!   Eureka
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(05-15-2026, 07:10 AM)govshill2 Wrote: Many believe The West walks with .......

O-I-L   !!   Eureka

And everyone walks with Boeing.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospa...026-05-15/

How to estimate the temperature of foreign relations during Trump 2.0:

How many 787s did they buy?
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(05-15-2026, 07:10 AM)govshill2 Wrote: Many believe The West walks with .......

O-I-L   !!   Eureka


Who? Who believes that?

Itan is just gonna open the Strait because what? China says so?

Okay…..

Many also believed we’d destroyed their nuclear capabilities. Derp!



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