Women don't like nice guys

[UltraBudgie]

What is so fucking wrong with being honest?

Jesus!

it is clever lesbeen ploy haha

[Stealth Blimp]

if your asocial why would you want woman r kids? if it is biourges you can make that transactional. but that doesn't seem what u want?

I yearned for a girlfriend during my youth. I was very lonely and spent most of the time on the underground floor of a public library reading the few books about UFOs they had on the shelves of the small paranormal section. I don't think I could ever have a relationship now. I would question why she wasn't with me in the prime of her life when I needed her the most? Yet she was probably making other men happy and giving their lives meaning. Also women who already have children is a big no, no. It's not my DNA and I'd want nothing to do with it.

[rickymouse]

I think the bad boy thing is largely exaggerated by social media and movies...
I don't think women are seeking out thugs. However, I have seen some at Home Depot looking for repair guys LOL... 

Most people date whoever they click with, feel comfortable around, and can actually talk to. Instead of being socially awkward, be more out going... 

I am a guy, and that bad boy thing is real, some women are attracted to it strongly.  It is exciting for them or something, don't know how it works, but I was friends with many girls and women in my life, and saw it happen a lot.  I am a guy, and I was more of a nice guy, but was also attracted to the bad girls...the exciting ones when I was young.  I am glad I outgrew that before I was twenty eight.  So it is not only girls that are effected by this. 

the majority of women are not attracted to the bad boys though, I would say maybe twenty five percent and they eventually outgrow that....but sometimes are stuck in a marriage with them with kids.  Guys that have high testosterone can be more control freaks too, and can be more violent...but not all guys with high testosterone are like that, some are just overpowering but fair and reliable...but usually show dominance like an alpha male.  If the boy is brought up properly the higher testosterone can be beneficial and it has more of a protective instinct trait than a violent trait...which means don't mess with their family or you may regret it.

Trying to put what I have observed in my life is hard to put into words in something like this. 

But remember, only twenty five percent of women are like that, so that means seventy five percent want a good person to spend their lives with or in some cases, they are all right on their own, they do not need another to feel whole and content.

[Stealth Blimp]

I am a guy, and that bad boy thing is real, some women are attracted to it strongly.  It is exciting for them or something, don't know how it works, but I was friends with many girls and women in my life, and saw it happen a lot.  I am a guy, and I was more of a nice guy, but was also attracted to the bad girls...the exciting ones when I was young.  I am glad I outgrew that before I was twenty eight.  So it is not only girls that are effected by this. 

the majority of women are not attracted to the bad boys though, I would say maybe twenty five percent and they eventually outgrow that....but sometimes are stuck in a marriage with them with kids.  Guys that have high testosterone can be more control freaks too, and can be more violent...but not all guys with high testosterone are like that, some are just overpowering but fair and reliable...but usually show dominance like an alpha male.  If the boy is brought up properly the higher testosterone can be beneficial and it has more of a protective instinct trait than a violent trait...which means don't mess with their family or you may regret it.

Trying to put what I have observed in my life is hard to put into words in something like this. 

But remember, only twenty five percent of women are like that, so that means seventy five percent want a good person to spend their lives with or in some cases, they are all right on their own, they do not need another to feel whole and content.

Great post. Young women have always been drawn to the "bad boy". In the 1950s it was James Dean. Now it's..well I don't like to say. Let's just say thugs.

On the point of so-called alpha males though I enjoy undermining them wherever I can and this often enrages women who respect male hierarchy. Often you'll find these thugs aren't as tough as all that unless they have other goons to back them up which invariably they do.

[UltraBudgie]

I yearned for a girlfriend during my youth. I was very lonely and spent most of the time on the underground floor of a public library reading the few books about UFOs they had in the paranormal section. I don't think I could ever have a relationship now. I would question why she wasn't with me in the prime of her life when I needed her the most yet she was probably making other men happy and giving their lives meaning. Also women who already have children is a big no, no. It's not my DNA and I'd want nothing to do with it.

oh ok

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

What is so fucking wrong with being honest?

Jesus!

Well...  No one really writes songs about the guy that lays their pathology on the table and leaves nothing to imagination...  

[DBCowboy]

Well...  No one really writes songs about the guy that lays their pathology on the table and leaves nothing to imagination...  

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If you want an honest real relationship, then don't lie.

It's that simple.

[ANNEE]

I feel expectation and control.

Kind of a this is how I am - take it or leave it.

[Signal Witch]

I'm 40 years old and have never had a girlfriend, been in a relationship or even had a friend who was female save for an elderly female relative. Women have either always ignored me or construed me as a competitor rather than a lover but they seem to be enamoured with men who I can only describe as "thugs" and "bad boys". Now I don't hate women for this as there are obviously evolutionary adaptations why women gravitate toward the most confident, successful and sometimes aggressive males (protection, resources etc.) at the expense of socially awkward men such as myself. However I do object to young women mocking me slyly while they give pleasure to "bad boys". It's as if women can tell I'm genetically unfit to reproduce and I find this upsetting.

 Alright, let me put it the way I’d tell one of the guys I’ve worked with for years.
 
I’ve seen a lot of men convince themselves that women only want the loud, flashy types, especially in tech where half the guys barely look up from their screens. The thing is, women aren’t chasing troublemakers. We’re drawn to men who stand like they belong in their own skin. When a man walks around already believing he’s not good enough, it shows. You can feel it before he ever opens his mouth.
 
I’ve watched guys sabotage themselves because they kept thinking, “She’ll never want me,” and then acted like that was already true. That’s what pushes women away, not who they are underneath. And honestly, the men who finally figure it out didn’t wake up one day with swagger. They just stopped treating themselves like they were broken and started taking pride in their own lives. Confidence isn’t something you’re born with. It’s something you build by actually living.
 
You’re not being rejected as a man. You’re being overlooked because you keep hiding the part of you that’s worth seeing. Trust me, there’s nothing wrong with starting late. I’ve known plenty of guys who didn’t get it together until their forties or fifties, and once they did, everything changed for them.
 
You’re forty, not finished. You can still get the life you want. You just have to start showing up as the man you actually are instead of the one you’re afraid you might be.

[ElitePlebeian]

I think working on yourself helps, including your mindset about dating. You dont have to move mountains but Gym/running or a sport, go get a social hobby. Not for dating but just for seeing other people and talking a bit and having some fun. With dating I would be direct and honest and dont waste too much time. A woman just like men dont need to do something together to know if she would date you. If you look at a woman, smile and she looks back you know shes probably not completely out of your league, walk up to her, tell her she looks good or whatever peaked your interest and ask her number and move on with your day. No matter the result, on to a date or on to a next opportunity. Its a numbers game and millions of women who have started relationships with men that never had a woman or sex before, just like millions date nice guys. And dont let a bad date set you back, see if you can take something positive from it and on to the next.