Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[SurferSoul]

Time isn't just in our heads, it's built into the very fabric of the universe.

Missing time feels real, but that's us, not time itself.

I don’t think I gave a proper explanation in my last post, I was short on time again. 

Yeah there is time as in space-time which isn’t exactly as straightforward as we often think. 

Then there is our perception of time, not just our varying perception of the passing of time but also the other kingdoms different perception and related life span. 

What I meant was when we are completely unconscious, alive and healthy but in deep sleep or induced under anaesthesia, time doesn’t exist for us at all because we aren’t experiencing anything. We are still in there but have been shut off from the brain, as soon as a connection is again established we snap back in. It’s not that consciousness is a product of the brain because of this though, it’s that the brain needs to have the pathways enabled for consciousness to operate in the brain. 
Think of a computer it’s just a load of hardware until you turn it on, that’s the brain but still useless until you boot up the operating system that’s equivalent to consciousness. Then we run various programs on it which are like our thoughts etc..
But when that hardware fails or is shut down, the operating system is still there. Sure it too can be corrupted or attacked by malware, but it can be debugged too. 

It’s a very similar analogy to how we are. 


Also even Atoms and their particles behave under the laws we can compute, quantify and make equations from. All that is information. Another way to think of it is all is vibration, An endless dance of the poles or opposites.

[andy06shake]

I don’t think I gave a proper explanation in my last post, I was short on time again. 

Yeah there is time as in space-time which isn’t exactly as straightforward as we often think. 

Then there is our perception of time, not just our varying perception of the passing of time but also the other kingdoms different perception and related life span. 

What I meant was when we are completely unconscious, alive and healthy but in deep sleep or induced under anaesthesia, time doesn’t exist for us at all because we aren’t experiencing anything. We are still in there but have been shut off from the brain, as soon as a connection is again established we snap back in. It’s not that consciousness is a product of the brain because of this though, it’s that the brain needs to have the pathways enabled for consciousness to operate in the brain. 
Think of a computer it’s just a load of hardware until you turn it on, that’s the brain but still useless until you boot up the operating system that’s equivalent to consciousness. Then we run various programs on it which are like our thoughts etc..
But when that hardware fails or is shut down, the operating system is still there. Sure it too can be corrupted or attacked by malware, but it can be debugged too. 

It’s a very similar analogy to how we are. 


Also even Atoms and their particles behave under the laws we can compute, quantify and make equations from. All that is information. Another way to think of it is all is vibration, An endless dance of the poles or opposites.

The universe is indeed all about frequency and vibration.

And that's not just mystical, it maps onto physics.
 
Quantum mechanics shows that particles behave like waves, with energy levels defined by frequencies.
 
Sound and light are vibrations, different frequencies give us colours, tones, even resonance.
 
String theory suggests reality's building blocks are comprised of tiny vibrating strings.

The cosmic microwave background is literally a faint vibration of the Big Bang(debatable), still resonating.

None of which, unfortunately, explains consciousness in any sort of totality, where it comes from, how it grows, or indeed where it goes, after we shuffle off the mortal coil. 

[SurferSoul]

None of which, unfortunately, explains consciousness in any sort of totality, where it comes from, how it grows, or indeed where it goes, after we shuffle off the mortal coil. 

Right science can’t explain consciousness as yet and never will when trying to measure and quantify it. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Because something can’t be explained by science we shouldn’t therefore dismiss it as mere fantasy. Not based solely on scientific absence of evidence, there is other evidence available through experience. When someone experiences a NDE and reports things they had no way of knowing through the psychical senses, when there are many other accounts of the same thing. We should accept their experience and accounts of such as evidence. Not mere fantasy and extremely lucky guessing. Just as we accept the phenomenon of consciousness as real.

[FlyersFan]

Just thinking about this I always hear 'That's something you shouldn't do or dabble with" Why is that?

Because there are a whole lotta' lying manipulating entities who will screw with you if you invite them in by showing interest in them.   You have no control over them.   You are just a plaything to them.   It's best to leave it all alone.  Trust me.  I used to go ghost hunting and I went to psychics ... then got bit in the ass because 'something' followed me home from a psychic.  It harassed us and it took 6 months to get rid of it ... and it took getting official priest intervention from the diocese to do it.   I learned my lesson the hard way.

Just stay away from all that.   You don't know what you are 'talking' to because there are lies and manipulations beyond what you can imagine going on in the spirit world.

[andy06shake]

Right science can’t explain consciousness as yet and never will when trying to measure and quantify it. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Because something can’t be explained by science we shouldn’t therefore dismiss it as mere fantasy. Not based solely on scientific absence of evidence, there is other evidence available through experience. When someone experiences a NDE and reports things they had no way of knowing through the psychical senses, when there are many other accounts of the same thing. We should accept their experience and accounts of such as evidence. Not mere fantasy and extremely lucky guessing. Just as we accept the phenomenon of consciousness as real.

But you're argument conflates subjective experience with objective evidence.

Consciousness is already scientifically recognised Surfersoul.

What remains elusive is a complete mechanical explanation as to how it functions.

NDEs do not constitute proof of consciousness beyond the brain.

And the anecdotal reports, no matter how consistent, are not controlled evidence.

Science relies on reproducible, testable data and results. 

Absence of a full explanation doesn't necessarily validate supernatural claims.

It just means that further study is required.

[FlyersFan]

The universe is indeed all about frequency and vibration.

Quoted to emphasize the truth of this statement.

[UltraBudgie]

Quoted to emphasize the truth of this statement.

Perhaps it could be said that imperfect perception of the universe is all about frequency and vibration.

You know, science.

[FlyersFan]

Perhaps it could be said that imperfect perception of the universe is all about frequency and vibration.

You know, science.

We ... humans in general, including scientists and religious leaders ... know only a smidgen of the truth and reality of where we exist.   Imperfect perception is a very good definition ...

[SurferSoul]

But you're argument conflates subjective experience with objective evidence.

Consciousness is already scientifically recognised Surfersoul.

What remains elusive is a complete mechanical explanation as to how it functions.

NDEs do not constitute proof of consciousness beyond the brain.

And the anecdotal reports, no matter how consistent, are not controlled evidence.

Science relies on reproducible, testable data and results. 

Absence of a full explanation doesn't necessarily validate supernatural claims.

It just means that further study is required.

Subjective experience plus internal thinking is consciousness. You can’t recognise one without the other. Just because the mechanisms aren’t understood doesn’t mean it’s any less real. 

If NDE’s don’t constitute proof of consciousness beyond the brain, how are people who have them able to know things that are said and done etc.. when they are clinically dead? How are they looking down on their own bodies from above and aware of everything around them? If it’s a hallucination, how is it their reports are confirmed by the people present at or near their time of death? 

Just because something can’t be explained scientifically doesn’t mean it’s not real or true.
Are present real is filled with things we’re once only imagined and in fact arised from the imagination.

[Num7]

Think of a computer it’s just a load of hardware until you turn it on, that’s the brain but still useless until you boot up the operating system that’s equivalent to consciousness. Then we run various programs on it which are like our thoughts etc..
But when that hardware fails or is shut down, the operating system is still there. Sure it too can be corrupted or attacked by malware, but it can be debugged too. 

That's a good analogy, I like it. And perhaps, to add even more to it... Well, sometimes you'll leave your computer on and it will be listening to you all day. Your microphone, your webcam. Who knows who's watching you through it?  

That's kind of unsettling. Like for the "other side", who knows who or what you'll contact or summon?