Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[Sirius]

I think they're annoying and harmless. At least mine are. Only dangerous if you listen to them or care what they say.  And nothing gets rid of them. So I'm not sure if they even exist in the frontal cortex, or any part of the brain associated with schizo identity.

Just tell your other heads to fuck off or "that's what I get for taking too much acid." You can even make a game out of mocking them. Works for me.

hilarious! very true
 

Every instance I have come across in the occult world has been some horny internet boy being fucked with. Usually by reading into everything way too much and doing it to themselves. 

Which is funny because they're INCEL internet boys getting screwed with, and kinda deserve it, but sad because it makes them become bigger assholes and misogynists, which does nothing for anyone, anywhere.

That's just my experience with the psychonaut or tulpa or demon or daemon or guiding spirit, or smokeless fire, or whatever people call it. 

terrible 
 

But I also recommend people to use caution.. Because most cant handle it and promptly march themselves to the slaughterhouse.

brutal

[GENERAL EYES]

That's horrific. In fact forced radio intercom should be considered malpractice. It's sad how much 'music' has undertones of occult demonic mind control programming when you actually listen to the lyrics. Doesn't mean there's secret cabals planning it all, of course (in my opinion); it seems to simply be a 'feature' of this world/reality experience itself. Shrug.

Agreed.  I read extensively on the use of pop culture programing (mainly music) for such purposes.

The good news is, the facility in question (local, opened in 1914 and home to a host of constuction problems, electrical problems, shysters claiming you owe hundreds (if not thousands of dollars) for treatment and psychotherapy sessions they never probvided (crayons and television and three hot meals in a freezing ward filled with twenty something drug addicts) has since been closed by the county and is now out of business for a multitude of reasons both related to the aforementioned and other matters I am not privy to.

My "doctor" and "therapist" never asked me once why I was brought to the institution, they assumed I was just on drugs and scwoled at me the whole time (I'm clean and sober and have been for quite some time, not even alcohol touches my system) were defrauding my insurance (Medicare/Medcaid) and I reported them to the State Attorney General for it.

Most "inpatient" facilities are like that, because mental health and substance issues are so common, and there isn't enough resources locally to seperate the meth addicts/druggie kids from the more serious mental health crisises in the region, but they're working on remedying that.

My doctor was reading my metatbolic panel and I noticed the only mental health note on my chart was "anxiety" because around here they don't believe Schizoaffective Diorder is a valid diagnosis, because all the drug seekers and addicts have been claiming it to get perscriptions to either try and get high off or sell on the street.

I was diagnosed in Harborview in Seattle, WA in 1998, way before it became an internet trend amoungst the youth to self diagnose.

Good news, I have a new psychiatrist, and instead of nine medications that my old doctor had me on that did nothing but cause unhealthy weight gain and blurry vision, she put me on one mild sedative and a single antipsychotic I've been feeling much better, working the Cognitive Behavioral Therapy daily and nightly, and things are showing signs of improvement.

Amoungst the "witchy" and occultic crowds in the region, they're laying off the assaults since we moved/relocated, almost as if were a form of hazing or a test of my character, so I'm enjoying more time in nature and less of an urban assault of overstimulation and doing much better.

The nature spirits out here were quite the shock as compared to the city though, which has a history of hauntings and other parapsychological/paranormal events.

Out here, I can commune with Lizards, with less worry about "Lizard People", LOL.

[AlroyFarms]

@GENERAL EYES 

I have never met a witch, wiccan, occultist whatever that wasnt even more fucked up than I am. 

I have known a good handful of them and they're always miserable, hate-filled people. 

I think the belief system attracts marginalized people that already have an axe to grind. Perfect breeding ground for scornful thoughts. And we know where that leads.

It's not the belief system. It's not so much that something gets into you...its when that frequency of negativity resonates and gets louder. Like frequencies attract like frequencies. 

It's not what one believes from a story. It's what is in the heart that matters.

[Bootless]

@IdeomotorPrisoner
@GENERAL EYES

Are we to understand that auditory hallucinations, such as voices, may be more disruptive to one's well being than an occasional visual hallucination?

And are we to understand that drugs like psychedelics are not helpful in countering the deleterious effects of bothersome voices or suggestions of demons?

And that even though some people, through no fault of their own, have no choice but to deal with certain annoying manifestations and/or hallucinations, the general populace should just simply not seek out these complications?

And occultists may be destructive jerks, not helpful to themselves or others?

[Unknownparadox]

You're not completely wrong, you're pointing at the key difference between knowledge and quantum states.

It's not just that Wigner "doesn’t know", quantum theory says the system remains in superposition until an interaction collapses it, like an observation. 

I don't think Schrodinger's cat paradox is supposed to be taken literally.

It's more like a parody showing how absurd superposition seems at macroscopic(where we exist) scales.

And at heart, quantum mechanics shows probabilities govern events, not certainties.

They are the both same experiment.

They are both tying the whim of a atom to human perspective. The thing is, we are already tied to the whim of atoms. Since we are made of them. The idea of superposition applies to all the matter in the entire universe. So when you are not looking at it, it may or may not exist.

But I personally think it is the method by which the universe is rendered. Atoms don't get used until they are needed. Otherwise they just sit in a non existent/existent state, waiting to be utilized.

But I suffer from derealization so maybe that's just my bias.

[GENERAL EYES]

@IdeomotorPrisoner
@GENERAL EYES

Are we to understand that auditory hallucinations, such as voices, may be more disruptive to one's well being than an occasional visual hallucination?

And are we to understand that drugs like psychedelics are not helpful in countering the deleterious effects of bothersome voices or suggestions of demons?

And that even though some people, through no fault of their own, have no choice but to deal with certain annoying manifestations and/or hallucinations, the general populace should just simply not seek out these complications?

And occultists may be destructive jerks, not helpful to themselves or others?

Each person is different, and each group dynamic has their motives and metholodogies.


Psychdelic Guided Therapy has shown remarkable improvement in some peoples lives, help cure addictions in some cases, and helping reduce the effects of severe depression in others.  But it's not taking drugs all day every day, set and setting and company have a lot of power in such trials.

Persoanlly I'm more fond of the local folk magic, good cooking, crystals and certain nature sites...but some people who get involved in the darker asepcts of the occult (for monetary gains, power, revenge, what have you) end up dealing with more than they bargained for, and usually not for the betterment of themselves of others.

The wiccans I know say it's the Law of Three or Law of Five, whatever you send out, comes back to you three or fivefold, so never meddle with dark forces or vengeful spirits or spells.

[AlroyFarms]

The wiccans I know say it's the Law of Three or Law of Five, whatever you send out, comes back to you three or fivefold, so never meddle with dark forces or vengeful spirits or spells.

The problem with hate-filled, vindictive attitudes is that they always feel in the right and justified. And where did such feelings begin?

[Kwaka]

The Farsight Institute is one organization that has been looking at the other side with their remote viewing skills.

[GENERAL EYES]

The problem with hate-filled, vindictive attitudes is that they always feel in the right and justified. And where did such feelings begin?

I suspect it started somewhere around the time when The One became The Many.

[Sirius]

@IdeomotorPrisoner
@GENERAL EYES

Are we to understand that auditory hallucinations, such as voices, may be more disruptive to one's well being than an occasional visual hallucination?

And are we to understand that drugs like psychedelics are not helpful in countering the deleterious effects of bothersome voices or suggestions of demons?

And that even though some people, through no fault of their own, have no choice but to deal with certain annoying manifestations and/or hallucinations, the general populace should just simply not seek out these complications?

And occultists may be destructive jerks, not helpful to themselves or others?

"Are we to understand that auditory hallucinations, such as voices, may be more disruptive to one's well being than an occasional visual hallucination?"

yes

"And are we to understand that drugs like psychedelics are not helpful in countering the deleterious effects of bothersome voices or suggestions of demons?"

yes, "suggestion" how many cases of dead people and animals do we need, the description fits, there are less extreme events also. Some stuff I have seen it's hard to call it anything else but demonic. We can spit words here all day

"And that even though some people, through no fault of their own, have no choice but to deal with certain annoying manifestations and/or hallucinations, the general populace should just simply not seek out these complications?"

yes/no can't be ignorant


"And occultists may be destructive jerks, not helpful to themselves or others?"

who cares