Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[Bootless]

"And that even though some people, through no fault of their own, have no choice but to deal with certain annoying manifestations and/or hallucinations, the general populace should just simply not seek out these complications?"

yes/no can't be ignorant


"And occultists may be destructive jerks, not helpful to themselves or others?"

who cares

So knowledge is necessary for safety?
For comparison: I never learned Relativity, special or general. I didn't need it when the ballistics field I was in could be completely and accurately predicted by classic physics and math. I wasn't dealing with near light speed or absence of gravity, just near Earth gravity, air resistance, ballistic coefficients, time, distance, and starting velocity (between say 700 fps and 4,000 fps).

The only reason that I may need to know relativity would be to not get fooled by pseudo-scientific nonsense that uses terms I'm not familiar with.

Similarly, if I have come to terms with demons to my satisfaction, the only reason to learn more is to either help other people or avoid pseudo-profound nonsense.

So I care.
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Different subject: Poltergeists

I, along with several co-workers, were witness to a peculiar series of events with no discernable causation. Not only was there repeated banging on a wall above an interior door, but there was a rattling of the door handle to an outside door.

I put my face right up close to the door handle, and judging by the movement, it seemed to be getting rattled from the inside rather than the outside. Like as if my face was right in the field of energy or whatever. So I grabbed the door handle and swung the door open. Nothing outside. And I sure didn't feel my hand covering a hand already on the handle.

The idea of measuring energy sources has been brought up. Do you think that an energy source capable of moving objects, such as the door rattling, would be measurable somehow?

General Question for anybody in the discussion  

[Sirius]

So knowledge is necessary for safety?
For comparison: I never learned Relativity, special or general. I didn't need it when the ballistics field I was in could be completely and accurately predicted by classic physics and math. I wasn't dealing with near light speed or absence of gravity, just near Earth gravity, air resistance, ballistic coefficients, time, distance, and starting velocity (between say 700 fps and 4,000 fps).

The only reason that I may need to know relativity would be to not get fooled by pseudo-scientific nonsense that uses terms I'm not familiar with.

Similarly, if I have come to terms with demons to my satisfaction, the only reason to learn more is to either help other people or avoid pseudo-profound nonsense.

So I care.
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Different subject: Poltergeists

I, along with several co-workers, were witness to a peculiar series of events with no discernable causation. Not only was there repeated banging on a wall above an interior door, but there was a rattling of the door handle to an outside door.

I put my face right up close to the door handle, and judging by the movement, it seemed to be getting rattled from the inside rather than the outside. Like as if my face was right in the field of energy or whatever. So I grabbed the door handle and swung the door open. Nothing outside. And I sure didn't feel my hand covering a hand already on the handle.

The idea of measuring energy sources has been brought up. Do you think that an energy source capable of moving objects, such as the door rattling, would be measurable somehow?

General Question for anybody in the discussion  

It's the same topic. You don't need to be a physicist to know a bullet can kill you. Where a cross or whatever towards your patron, follow whatever is ascribed in your faith...seek help if you need it and advice or methods from one corner does not help

The same legends about interacting with the phenomena and attracting it's ire still holds, I don't mess around with such things. Hitchhiker effect and all that. Most people don't get a choice. Places and objects that are "haunted" stays that way in my experience

Highly context depending of course. I have seen someone contort into impossible postures and going through madness from...failed suicide attempt and drugs. Also been witness to many manic episodes.

And then I have witnessed things that definitely did not originate from this side happen to people and objects and now that I have seen such it brings manic episodes into question.

[Kwaka]

The idea of measuring energy sources has been brought up. Do you think that an energy source capable of moving objects, such as the door rattling, would be measurable somehow?

Yeah, check out this thread:

Goodbye GPS - Hello Quantum Navigation?

There are devices on the market that are able to measure quantum gravitation effects. With things moving around and getting rattled, mass is a part of these anomalies. Maybe a clearer picture of this energy spectrum might help?

[Playswithmachine]

If they want to contact YOU, they will let you know it. Otherwise, it's best not to stir the pot.

I am not religious, i am an atheist. I am a scientist, an engineer. But having been once officially dead for a few minutes, i CAN say that yes, there is another side.
There is 'something' after death.
When i died, i saw the tunnel with light at the end, this has been attributed to oxygen starvation of the brain, and we are told that anything longer than 6 minutes results in permanent brain damage. I daresay there are members here who have family that have had this happen to them.
Maybe my brain is damaged, i could not tell the difference myself, i was always a bit wierd.

But i did not hear any angels singing or beautiful music. I heard an ungodly noise, is all.
I did not want to enter that tunnel, to go to the light at the end; something told me it was a one way trip, i was not ready to die, i wanted to get back to my wife.
I found myself on the ceiling, looking down at my own body, seeing my wife on top of me, holding my face, screaming my name.

I felt sadness for her, in a detached sort of way, i loved her more than life itself.
But something else was calling me, to go to a place i have never been. Scotland to be precise, a certain place on the north coast.
And i was there, instantly. No time at all, i must have travelled faster than light since it was 500 miles away.
It was pitch black (well it would be, since my NDE happened around midnight) and all i could see were the white waves crashing onto the black rocks.

Then i heard a voice, my own voice, but much older, speaking in a large building, like a hangar.
I was in the future, i am sure of it.

I felt no wind, no cold, no pain, no hunger. I felt nothing. I was emotionally & physically detached from everything.
At that moment i realised, i must be dead. I realised that i could go anywhere, any time, see anything. I wanted to see dead relatives, my dog Misty, i missed all of them.
But then i heard one voice, my wife, calling my name, and i knew that above all, i wanted to be with her again.
And like an elastic band snapping back into place, i was pulled back into my body. I felt immense pain, every nerve was on fire.
But i was alive again, and there was my dear wife, still astride me, crying and slapping my face.

Years later, when she died in my arms, i knew it was not the end. I will see her again.
She often played tricks on me. Objects would move, i felt her hand brushing my hair, things like that.
But she knew it upset me, i cried for 2 years straight, she stopped doing it, but i still feel her presence, every now & then.
I am not afraid, i embrace it, and i know i will see her again, when my time comes.

But do not tempt fate. One of my brothers was once a satanist, he had to endure strange rituals, he saw things that scared him sh*tless, and he is 6 feet 2 and scared of nothing. Except that.
Be careful what you wish for.

[cherokeetroy]

If you know you are the operant power

Then you know there's nothing to fear

You set the stage by the stories you tell yourself 

[Playswithmachine]

I can agree with that.
'time' is just an abstract concept developed by humans, used to define motion.
If you freeze everything down to below absolute zero, where even electrons stop moving (they don't) but if you did, would you not freeze time itself?
I have a concept for an experiment, to send electrons into the future.
I am fairly certain it would work.
But going backwards in time seems, for me at least, impossible.
Next time i die, i will have a go at it ;D

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I dont think any "other side" that exists, does in a way we could really collect data on. It's manifestation precludes any attempt at mapping it. 

At most, it would be like the gobbledygook data of Listening Post Alpha in the woods near Twin Peaks...

Maybe a giant is sending messages to Portland Mayor?

 

[Bootless]

I found this written in my notepad.
Been sitting on it for a week wondering if I should start a new thread.
I don't feel like starting a thread, so:

As with the dog
so too the cat
as with the bird
so too the bat
as with the frog
so too the gnat

We live then die
and that's that.

[rickymouse]

I don't want to contact the other side, I think that would be a really expensive long distance call and I would be on there for many hours.

[Tinkerpeach]

Just thinking about this I always hear 'That's something you shouldn't do or dabble with" Why is that?

Shouldn't we want to learn everything about the other side why wouldn't it be as normal as identifying the fish in the Sea?

Shouldn't we be scientifically documenting way to contrafact the other dimension to better understand it to verify it exists or to determine its all in our heads or something we personally project . 

We can invite all that is on the "other side" to the point it becomes a normal everyday experience to better understand what is there why does it have to be something forbidden?

Many of us do look for evidence of the other side. 

There are different layers to the other side, or different other sides altogether. 

Looking for evidence of what realm a ghost occupies is far different than trying to summon a demon. 

One is harmless, the other can have very serious consequences for the unprepared.