Which Bible Do You Trust, and Why?

[3rdrockfrmsun]

So what Bibles do you guys read?

[FlyersFan]

Again, proof to the contrary is a monumental endeavour and each detail in each source must be debunked.

The science proves that the Noahs Ark story is false.
Every version of the story is therefore false.
Doesn't matter if they are detailed.
Doesn't matter if they are popular.
Doesn't matter if the same story is retold in different civilizations.
False is false.

Do you acknowledge the fact that there are ice shelves on earth?
Do you acknowledge the fact that they are hundreds of thousands of years old?
Do you acknowledge the fact that Noahs Flood, as described by the bible, would have destroyed them?
Do you acknowledge the fact that they were not destroyed therefore the flood, as described by the bible, didn't happen?

[FlyersFan]

So what Bibles do you guys read?

My post from page 3

Our bibles ... 

New Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible
1957
Imprimature: Francis Cardinal Spellman - Archbishop of New York
(old language ... like thee and thou ... )

New American Bible
"Translated from the original languages"
1970
Imprimatur: Patrick Cardinal O'Boyle Archsishop of Washington
Sponsored by the Bishops Committee of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine

Ignatius Holy Bible
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
1946
Imprimatur 1966 Peter Bartholome Bishop of St. Cloud Minnesota

The Navarre Bible
Each book of the bible is it's own book in the Navarre Bible Series.
It has the scripture, and then study commentary to go with it.


I wouldn't bother with the Protestant bibles.
They are missing 7 books - Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, 1 and 2 Maccabees.
And there are some pretty important concepts and things in those to be missing.
For example Sirach 48:12-14 proves the dead are alive, awake, aware and active.
Something that protestants using their shortened bibles are missing and therefore
they get the wrong notion that the dead are 'sleeping in the grave' because they 
take literally the phenomenological language in the New Testament about the dead
being asleep.

[Astyanax]

How many Zoroastrian, Gnostic, Jain, Sikh, Hindu or Buddhist texts are there?

Oh, dozens and dozens. How is that relevant?

And how many Christian texts are there beside the Bible? Shall we compare?

[Bootless]

And how many Christian texts are there beside the Bible? Shall we compare?

Thousands!!!

I would include such things as Creeds, Confessions of Faith (different for different denominations), and even various hymns (such as Doxology and Gloria Patri), prayer books, and even some sainted theologians eg. Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas Aquinas. Then the Protestant theologians such as John Calvin (Institutes of the Christian  Religion ).

Of course not all Christians agree on what is canonical or deuterocanonical or basis of admission or grounds for excommunication. That's why there are thousands of denominations, sects, and even pseudo-Christian personality cults.

[UltraBudgie]

Thousands!!!

Alternately, what do you think of this doctrine?

"There is only one Christian text and that is the Word of God, written in the hearts and minds of the faithful by power of the Almighty, spoken with remarkable fidelity by the Lord Jesus Christ, witnessed and tested to truth by the power of the Holy Spirit. To the extent that the many imperfect writings of men are useful for teaching, correcting, and training in this righteousness, they may be known as Scripture."

[quintessentone]

The science proves that the Noahs Ark story is false.
Every version of the story is therefore false.
Doesn't matter if they are detailed.
Doesn't matter if they are popular.
Doesn't matter if the same story is retold in different civilizations.
False is false.

Do you acknowledge the fact that there are ice shelves on earth?
Do you acknowledge the fact that they are hundreds of thousands of years old?
Do you acknowledge the fact that Noahs Flood, as described by the bible, would have destroyed them?
Do you acknowledge the fact that they were not destroyed therefore the flood, as described by the bible, didn't happen?

As I posted on the ATS flood thread. I believe the peoples did not know the geography of the world, therefore when they stated the world had flooded, in fact only the region they thought of as the world flooded. Ancient peoples got a lot wrong. Anyway, I'm waiting for the analysis of that core sample to determine if where they think a large boat with multiple rooms was found was once flooded.

[Bootless]

Alternately, what do you think of this doctrine?

"There is only one Christian text and that is the Word of God, written in the hearts and minds of the faithful by power of the Almighty, spoken with remarkable fidelity by the Lord Jesus Christ, witnessed and tested to truth by the power of the Holy Spirit. To the extent that the many imperfect writings of men are useful for teaching, correcting, and training in this righteousness, they may be known as Scripture."

I think that it qualifies as a legit Christian doctrine consistent with commonly held scripture. (see Two Corinthians 3 and Two Timothy 3:16).

[chr0naut]

The proof is all around you, plain and simple.

If Noahs Ark happened 4,000 years ago,

Where in the Bible does it put a date on the flood?

Like ancient king lists, the names mentioned in ancient geneologies may have been not of individuals, but of the patriarchs of clans and families. This also accords with some of the extended lifespans mentioned, too.

then everyone on the planet would have the same DNA, the same culture, the same language, and the same religion.   We don't.   The fact that you speak English and that you don't have Noahs DNA running inside you are your own personal proof that Noahs Ark didn't happen.

According to the book "The 7 Daughters of Eve" by the genetecist Bryan Sykes, there is evidence that all human DNA can be traced back to 7 haplogroups in prehistory, and these all descended from a mitochondrial 'Eve' common female ancestor.

It could have been that the human race was reduced to one family's genetics in late prehistory (Noah had a wife and sons, who had wives - there is no record of any daughters in Genesis).

If Noahs Ark happened then Egypts civilization would have been interrupted ... it wasn't.   We have proof of a continuing culture before, during, and after the supposed Noahs Ark timeframe.   Same with China.   Same with the Aborigines in Australia.   Same with India.  etc etc.

But again, you are assuming that the flood occurred in 4,000 BC. We do know, from the geological record, that there was significant rapid climate change at the end of the Younger Dryas and that only a couple of thousand years later, the Black Sea flooded down from Nortern Europe into the Middle East about 5,500 BC.

The text of Genesis says the flood coverd "all the land". In othe places in Genesis Abraham is promised "the land" as his inheritance (Genesis 12:1) - same words (In later dictates, in the text, the boundaries of the promised land are defined). There is nothing in the text that explicitly says that the flood was worldwide except that all the high hills under the whole sky were covered, but this could have meant 'as far as the eye can see'.

The FACT is that there is no way for the penguins to get to the middle east and back to Antarctica.   Same with armadillos from Texas.  Same with kangaroos from Australia.   Same with sloths of South America.   etc etc.

The FACT is that there is no way that the ark could have held two of every species, plus their food supply for a year, plus their fresh water for a year.   The FACT is that there is no way the ark could have held enough insects and their food supply that would have been required to feed all the species of insect eaters and birds that the ark would have to have carried.

The FACT is that shipbuilding skills didn't exist back then to be able to build an ark that size ... let alone 4 landlocked men having to take decades and decades to do so.   They would have been clueless as to what to do to build it and the boat would have rotted before they finished.  

Proof ... plain and simple.   Read and educate yourself.
The impossible voyage of Noahs Ark

The narrative around the flood in Genesis has many elements that can only be entirely supernatural. So trying to critique and reinterpret the text from naturalistic perspectives sounds to me like they have really missed the point, somewhat.

[FlyersFan]

Where in the Bible does it put a date on the flood?

Common knowledge.   I'm surprised you don't know this.

According to  Bishop Ussher's chronology and other bible scholars, they estimate creation to be around 4004 BC.  This calculation is based on taking biblical genealogies literally.   Noahs flood was supposedly 1656 years after creation putting it at about 2348 BC.

From AI GOOGLE ASSIST - According to the Bible, Noah's flood occurred around 2348 BCE, a date calculated by biblical scholars who add up genealogies and lifespans. However, most scientists and historians do not believe a global flood happened and view the story as a myth, often linking it to older Mesopotamian flood narratives
 

• Biblical timeline: 
  The date of 2348 BCE is reached by adding 1,656 years from the creation of Adam, based on the genealogies in the Book of Genesis.
  
• Calculation method: 
  This involves adding up the years between known events and individuals in Genesis, from the creation of Adam to Noah's flood, which occurred in Noah's 600th year.