Vladimir Putin 'spits in Trump's face'

[andy06shake]

Thank you (and Kurokage); that clears things up a bit. It is more like drinking a cup of tea and noticing that it's getting near the bottom and the tea leaves are going to be visible soon, rather than predicting their exact configuration. Can only pour fresh hot water in for so long, haha.

I can identify with that analogy all too well.

Anyhoo, must press on for the time being. 

It's rather hectic on my end today.

[Kurokage]

The Balkans? 
Wrong guy, I just think the West is corrupt and probably right, the west screwed the Balkan’s, like Africa and Asia 

Vendetta, just think Putin has made the correct decision to protect his countries sovereign hood from the west

Why should Putin accept terms from countries that clearly have no respect for them
Use your brain

Maybe not the Balkans but I know you had a gripe about the wars in Yugoslavia or Bosnia, after going on a rant in a thread about Ukraine in which you blamed it all on the west.

Please tell me how invading a sovereign nation after interfering in it's democracy is protecting Russia from the west??    

I think if you had a brain and weren't so biased you would see through Putins corrupt little mind games.

[quintessentone]

I think Putin's actions and words make it clear what he wants.

""Either we liberate these territories by force of arms, or Ukrainian troops leave these territories," Putin told India Today ahead of a visit to New Delhi, according to a clip shown on Russian state television."

Putin says Russia will take Donbas by force if it's not ceded by Ukraine | CBC News

So much for freeing people from the Nazi's in Ukraine, hmm?

And here we hear about Donbas, a resource-rich region, again. Why? It's evident.

"Russia has launched a renewed offensive on Pokrovsk, a critical city in Ukraine’s Donbas region. If Moscow captures it, the route to Ukraine’s “fortress belt” — stretching from Sloviansk and Kramatorsk in the north to Kostyantynivka and Druzhkivka in the south — could be wide open. The Kremlin demands full cession of Donbas territories, but President Volodymyr Zelensky has firmly refused, keeping the stakes high in this crucial battlefront. Why is the Donbas so vital to both Russia and Ukraine?

Read more at: https://www.oneindia.com/videos/russia-r...75869.html"

[Creaky]

Maybe not the Balkans but I know you had a gripe about the wars in Yugoslavia or Bosnia, after going on a rant in a thread about Ukraine in which you blamed it all on thew west.

Please tell me how invading a sovereign nation after interfering in it's democracy is protecting Russia from the west??    

I think if you had a brain and weren't so biased you would see through Putins corrupt little mind games.

well maybe but, I know nothing about the Balkans
Had a Bosnian friend who said the orthodox killed many muslims and i tend to believe him but, I know nothing about the Balkans
Pretty sure Tito was tough
Maybe but I don’t remember
, anyway, think Russia and Putin are winning and the last thing they should do is negotiate…obviously and you don’t need a brain to work that out. 


How is a sovereign nation like Venezuela going to go when the US attack it for oil.
Lets blame drugs or something like that, eh merika 
Hypocrisy, meet brain, unlikely you will see any similarities 

The US like Europe are global parasites

[xpert11]

 

Pouring in money is what weve tried for years so that also didnt help. It was due for a different approach, and while I agree it helped Russia, Ukraine also needed to be pressured. With endless money of others they would keep fighting and thats definitely not going to bring peace.

The success and WW2 WW2-winning Lend-Lease program would like a word with you. Unless there is evidence that military equipment supplied to Ukraine by the international community is being stockpiled for purposes other than fighting Russia, then that argument makes no sense.  

Providing funding to Ukraine is cheaper in blood and financial terms than the prospect of WW3. The fate of Russia's war in Ukraine will be decided on battlefields, with the supporting logistics paid for in cash.

[ElitePlebeian]

The success and WW2 WW2-winning Lend-Lease program would like a word with you. Unless there is evidence that military equipment supplied to Ukraine by the international community is being stockpiled for purposes other than fighting Russia, then that argument makes no sense.  

Providing funding to Ukraine is cheaper in blood and financial terms than the prospect of WW3. The fate of Russia's war in Ukraine will be decided on battlefields, with the supporting logistics paid for in cash.

Im not sure where I implicated that equipment is stockpiled.

I dont see any evidence for a win by just giving more money/equipment. Russia compensates with their bigger numbers. At best it will be a bloody stalemate, which weve seen. You guys are wishful thinking, Im extrapolating. 

Again why let Russia use foreign soldiers but refuse Ukraine the same.. youre only giving in to Russia.

[Maxmars]

I see the many "illogical" things we have witnessed leading up to and including the entire tragedy as a signal of the presence of 'secrets.'  It seems ridiculous that the official narratives stand as they do.  The travesty of the 'reality-TV" coverage, including patently  biased talking heads... renders a civil resolution impossible... too much to exploit there... so they "join in."

Negotiations ostensibly undertaken to end the endless suffering, death, displacement, and destruction were clearly an encouragement to me.

Yet every conversation publicized is about demands, justice, and veiled revenge.

Is it any wonder... there are gaps in our collective understanding?

Negotiation is not to resolve "how the world feels about it."

Those are two different heads on this hydra.

[xpert11]

Im not sure where I implicated that equipment is stockpiled.

I dont see any evidence for a win by just giving more money/equipment. Russia compensates with their bigger numbers. At best it will be a bloody stalemate, which weve seen. You guys are wishful thinking, Im extrapolating. 

Again why let Russia use foreign soldiers but refuse Ukraine the same.. youre only giving in to Russia.

I pointed out the only circumstances in which your argument would make sense. I didn't imply that you made that specific argument. 

Battlefields have historically gone through periods of manoeuvre/battlefield mobility, breaking down. A mixture of technological breakthroughs tied to combined arms breaks the deadlocks. This historical pattern is unfolding in Ukraine and doesn't remove the requirement for military equipment. 

Russia's supplying a superior number of troops can't impact the war's outcome until the stalemate is broken and they receive sufficient logistical support. 

Giving in to Russia is any peace deal that fails to restore Ukraine's pre-2014 borders, leaves Russian forces in that country and fails to provide Ukraine with a security guarantee.

[UltraBudgie]

Giving in to Russia is any peace deal that fails to restore Ukraine's pre-2014 borders

I think we've found the line between hawkish and delusional. That's not going to happen. Besides, Ukraine is almost destabilized enough that it's to the point where there's more profit and advantage in letting them surrender. Which I think was the plan all along?

[xpert11]

I think we've found the line between hawkish and delusional. That's not going to happen. Besides, Ukraine is almost destabilized enough that it's to the point where there's more profit and advantage in letting them surrender. Which I think was the plan all along?

One could argue that the Biden admin's approach to the war in Ukraine and its efforts to avoid perceived escalation were strange. The U.S. and the international community's approach to ending the war in Ukraine is delusional. Sanctions aren't a replacement for strategy.

In principle, I agree that the idea that war in Ukraine doesn't end with keeping Russian military aggression defeated/kept in check. There are two outcomes from the war in Ukraine. If Russia is successful, its next target is Poland and the Baltic states. In that scenario, the U.S. isn't an arsenal of democracy, and the British Empire's collective resources aren't around to hold the line until the "politely late" Americans show up. 

The other alternative is a cycle of wars caused by the failure to restore Ukraine's pre-2014 borders.