Vladimir Putin 'spits in Trump's face'

[ElitePlebeian]

They can't have realistic peace talks while one side is actively invading.

That's not a discussion nor negotiation.

It's paramount to surrender.

You have difficulty reading i think so this is pointless. Again what do you think the state of a war is before a ceasefire? You think a ceasefire just happens because the soldiers feel like it or do you think both sides talk to eachother first?...

[Kurokage]

You have difficulty reading i think so this is pointless. Again what do you think the state of a war is before a ceasefire? You think a ceasefire just happens because the soldiers feel like it or do you think both sides talk to eachother first?...

Seeing as Russia have dismissed the peace talks, I think your comments are moot. Trump needs to apply more pressure on the Kremlin instead of taking Putins phone calls and appeasing him.

[ElitePlebeian]

The "more money won't help" argument is basically saying "let's watch our house burn down so we can try new decorations."

Funding Ukraine isn't throwing coins in a wishing Elite, it's buying them time and hope. 

Switching on the light is cute, but if you leave the roof open while Russia bombs it....

Real progress isn't just knowing the direction.

It's walking it without getting Russian steamrolled.

Preferably with proper armor, strategy, and maybe a little common sense sprinkled on top. 

Again a bad analogy. More money wont help to get us peace its a proven fact; weve thrown all the money we could spare at it. The result is a forever war. And if the guy that is supposed to be on your side refuses peace talks but just wants your money for a war that wont stop thats not reasonable. Going to leave it with that, because Im repeating myself.

[andy06shake]

You have difficulty reading i think so this is pointless. Again what do you think the state of a war is before a ceasefire? You think a ceasefire just happens because the soldiers feel like it or do you think both sides talk to eachother first?...

Oh, so now we’re doing the "wars magically pause when soldiers get bored" routine?

Newsflash, ceasefires don't appear like free pizza.

Ukraine can't just snap its fingers and make Russia agree while Putin's forces actively invade.

Pretending otherwise is ignoring reality to fit a bedtime story about "both sides are talking nicely."

And if you think pointing out facts is "difficulty reading" congratulations, you've officially confused honesty with incompetence.

Wars aren't polite chats, but brutal contests where innocent people die. 

And ceasefires happen when one side can't keep pushing.

Not when someone politely requests it with a smile.

[ElitePlebeian]

Seeing as Russia have dismissed the peace talks, I think your comments are moot. Trump needs to apply more pressure on the Kremlin instead of taking Putins phone calls and appeasing him.

Well ive been saying boots on the ground as well. But you guys prefer the passive aggresive approach we know doesnt work. Borderline crazy.

And again his point is talking is no progress and my point is we had to try talking to see where we are with this situation. Which is progress.

[andy06shake]

Again a bad analogy. More money wont help to get us peace its a proven fact; weve thrown all the money we could spare at it. The result is a forever war. And if the guy that is supposed to be on your side refuses peace talks but just wants your money for a war that wont stop thats not reasonable. Going to leave it with that, because Im repeating myself.

Again, throwing cash at Ukraine isn't paying for fun, it's keeping them from being steamrolled while Europe and America sleeps.

Claiming it causes a "forever war" simply ignores the reality of the situation.

Russia keeps invading because it can, not because Ukraine has tanks.

And whining that Ukraine won't negotiate while defending itself is like blaming a kid for not sharing lunch while a bully eats it.

Reality isn't convenient, it's downright relentless.

[ElitePlebeian]

Oh, so now we’re doing the "wars magically pause when soldiers get bored" routine?

Newsflash, ceasefires don't appear like free pizza.

Ukraine can't just snap its fingers and make Russia agree while Putin's forces actively invade.

Pretending otherwise is ignoring reality to fit a bedtime story about "both sides talking nicely."

And if you think pointing out facts is "difficulty reading" congratulations, you've officially confused honesty with incompetence.

Wars aren't polite chats, but brutal contests where innocent people die. 

And ceasefires happen when one side can't keep pushing.

Not when someone politely requests it with a smile.

You derive things from what I say that dont make sense, bit tired of this. You say there is some magical ceasefire that is going to happen without talking, not me.

[andy06shake]

You derive things from what I say that dont make sense, bit tired of this. You say there is some magical state of a war that is going to happen without talking, not me.

Classic "don’t put words in my mouth" while simultaneously doing exactly that.

Wars don't pause because someone politely asks Elite.

Reality doesn't wait for your bedtime story.

It just doesn't work that way.

You can insist the ceasefire fairy will sprinkle diplomacy over Russia's active invasion all you like.

But that's not analysis.

It's wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, actual military strategy recognises that one side has to be pressured before talks matter.

[Kurokage]

Well ive been saying boots on the ground as well. But you guys prefer the passive aggresive approach we know doesnt work. Borderline crazy.

And again his point is talking is no progress and my point is we had to try talking to see where we are with this situation. Which is progress.

The trouble with boots on the ground, is it only amplifies the situation.
Putin is the one pushing this war, because of some ideal fantasy of the old USSR empire.

Ukraine is 28x smaller than Russia, Russia has taken just over 20% of Ukraine in nearly 4 years, the war has cost Russia approximately a million soldiers, and most of its decent military equipment. It's now mostly fighting in Ukraine with USSR era equipment. The Russian people are starting to get fed up with this war and Putin.
How many more years do you think the Russia military can keep fighting for? 

Putin doesn't want to withdraw from Ukraine and wants more land than he's already stolen and Ukraine to half it's military. That's his idea of peace talks.

[ElitePlebeian]

Again, throwing cash at Ukraine isn't paying for fun, it's keeping them from being steamrolled while Europe and America sleeps.

Claiming it causes a "forever war" simply ignores the reality of the situation.

Russia keeps invading because it can, not because Ukraine has tanks.

And whining that Ukraine won't negotiate while defending itself is like blaming a kid for not sharing lunch while a bully eats it.

Reality isn't convenient, it's downright relentless.

The reality is that that war wont stop with just throwing money at it. Its not a claim, its the reality, everyone has seen that, except you apparantly.