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(12-26-2025, 12:45 AM)Sky727 Wrote: Those who defend Islam or either brain washed followers or have never spent time in an Islamic country where they stone and beat women because the laws of their religion call for it.
I think you’ve got Islam confused with Judaism. Stoning is not prescribed as a punishment anywhere in the Quran. It is however in the Torah. According to the Torah if a woman is not a virgin at the time of marriage then she should be stoned to death. No such requirement exists in the Quran and even for adultery there is no punishment provided you repent and swear to God that you will not do it again, and you do not do it again. Otherwise there is a flogging prescribed, but not a death sentence like Judaism. Oh and there are 4 witnesses required in Islam for the punishment to take effect. In the United States we have “beyond a reasonable doubt” but that doesn’t hold up to Islamic scrutiny. In Islam, any doubt at all means the accused is innocent.
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(12-26-2025, 03:39 PM)DulceEscapee Wrote: Stoning is not prescribed as a punishment anywhere in the Quran.
And yet they do it and say that it's what their god wants.
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(12-26-2025, 03:23 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Nope.
The Jihadi Muslims who are slaughtering innocent Christians, are not themselves innocent. AI Google Assist says 100,000 to 125,000 Christians killed since 2009 in Nigeria alone, by Muslims. The Christians are NOT killing Muslims, but the Muslims ARE killing Christians.
Extremists come in all forms and beliefs -- and political persuasions.
Key word: EXTREMIST
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12-26-2025, 04:53 PM
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(12-26-2025, 12:57 PM)ANNEE Wrote: The innocent victims are humans.
Both sides.
FWIW
Which is what was said in my post, the quote you conveniently left out, yes, Muslims are being killed, but it isn't Christians killing them, it's the Boko Harem/ISIS
But continue to cherry-pick shit to bitch about as per usual.
The Nigerian government cooperated with the US strikes, all nice and proper, one would think they have a better grasp of the urgency of the situation.
Quote:The situation for Christians in Nigeria is extremely severe, with Nigeria consistently ranking as one of the most dangerous countries in the world for Christians due to high levels of violence and persecution.
Key Threats and Violence
Christians face targeted attacks primarily in the northern and Middle Belt regions from:- Islamist militant groups like Boko Haram and Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP).
- Armed Fulani herdsmen (often described as radicalized).
These attacks involve killings, abductions, destruction of churches and villages, and sexual violence, particularly against women. Open Doors' World Watch List 2025 highlights Nigeria as the deadliest place for Christians globally, with more faith-related killings there than in the rest of the world combined (reporting around 3,100 Christian deaths in the prior reporting period, though trends indicate ongoing high violence).
Statistics and Reports
Advocacy groups like Intersociety and Global Christian Relief cite figures of over 7,000 Christians killed in 2025 alone (averaging ~30-35 per day in some reports), alongside thousands abducted and displaced. Specific incidents include massacres in Benue and Plateau states, church raids, and school abductions (e.g., hundreds of children from a Catholic school in late 2025).
Counter Perspectives
More neutral sources like the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) and BBC analyses emphasize nuance: much violence stems from complex factors including farmer-herder clashes over land/resources (exacerbated by climate change), banditry, and ethnic tensions, rather than purely religious motives. ACLED data shows that explicitly religion-targeted civilian killings are a small proportion of overall violence (e.g., ~317 confirmed Christian-targeted deaths vs. broader ~21,000 civilian deaths from 2020–Sept 2025), and jihadists also kill many Muslims. Some claims of "genocide" or exclusively anti-Christian targeting are disputed as oversimplified or inflated.
Government and Discrimination Factors
The Nigerian government often frames incidents as non-religious conflicts and has been criticized for inadequate response or impunity for perpetrators. In northern Sharia-law states, Christians face additional discrimination (e.g., restrictions on church building or school operations). This has led to U.S. redesignation of Nigeria as a Country of Particular Concern in 2025 and even airstrikes on Islamist targets.
Overall, while not all violence is strictly religious and affects multiple groups, Christians disproportionately suffer brutal, targeted attacks in affected areas, making their situation very bad—marked by fear, displacement (millions internally displaced), and loss of life—with little sign of abatement as of late 2025.
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It sounds plausible that they need a smite.
What I hesitate on is:
1. When the US does a smite, it often doesn't actually work, instead creating blowback
2. There seems to always be an ulterior motive
And what business is it of America anyway?
But I don't think my opinion is gonna change anything, so whatever.
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(12-26-2025, 04:53 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Which is what was said in my post, the quote you conveniently left out, yes, Muslims are being killed, but it isn't Christians killing them, it's the Boko Harem/ISIS
I am not going to put Christians on some self-righteous pedestal. Happens a lot here though.
The label Christian does not automatically make someone a good person.
Nor does the label Muslim automatically make someone a bad person.
Extremists are Extremists.
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Ah, a less interventionalist policy.
Apart from Nigeria, Venezuela and Greenland.
Yes, dead terrorists is good.
But, so much for his promises.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(12-26-2025, 05:05 PM)ANNEE Wrote: I am not going to put Christians on some self-righteous pedestal. Happens a lot here though.
The label Christian does not automatically make someone a good person.
Nor does the label Muslim automatically make someone a bad person.
Extremists are Extremists.
WHERE did I say suggest or infer all Muslims are bad or Christians are good?
In Nigeria, the subject of the thread, INNOCENT Christians, seems to be taking the brunt of the attacks
So, who exactly are the Christian extremists in Nigeria where is the summary below wrong....
Quote:Are there Christian extremists in Nigeria
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Yes, there are instances of Christian extremism in Nigeria, but it is rare, limited, and not comparable in scale or organization to the widespread Islamist extremism from groups like Boko Haram, ISWAP (Islamic State West Africa Province), and radicalized Fulani militias.
Nigeria experiences significant religious violence, primarily driven by Islamist militant groups targeting both Christians and Muslims, though Christians often face disproportionate attacks in certain regions (e.g., the Middle Belt and north). Sources like ACLED and humanitarian analysts note that while jihadist violence affects all faiths, claims of a targeted "Christian genocide" are disputed, with most victims overall being Muslim in some datasets.
On the Christian side:- Violence sometimes occurs in reprisal attacks during communal clashes (e.g., herder-farmer conflicts or riots), where Christian communities retaliate against Muslim ones.
- However, there are no major organized Christian extremist or militant groups equivalent to Boko Haram. Christian leaders (Catholic, Protestant, and evangelical) generally oppose forming armed militias, advocating instead for government protection and self-defense within "just war" principles.
- Isolated efforts by frustrated young Christians to fight back exist, but these are poorly equipped and not ideologically driven extremist organizations.
In summary, religious extremism in Nigeria is overwhelmingly associated with Islamist ideologies aiming to impose strict Islamic rule or eradicate non-adherents. Christian involvement in violence is typically defensive or retaliatory, not proactive extremism. Balanced sources (e.g., ACLED, BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera) emphasize the complexity: ethnic, resource, and criminal factors intertwine with religion, affecting both communities.
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(12-26-2025, 05:16 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Ah, a less interventionalist policy.
Apart from Nigeria, Venezuela and Greenland.
Yes, dead terrorists is good.
But, so much for his promises.
I think most people know that was to attack Hillary for her support of the Iraq war and Libyan interventionism? And it worked! But he's never been a dove of course. I think his transactionlism make the idea of fewer " endless" wars plausible though.
In your list of three, Greenland stands out. I don't think there's any serious plan for force-based intervention there? Just the usual subversion and convincing them that it's in their best interest to pass a "freedom" referendum. They're 88% Inuit, and can probably be led to believe they like America at least as much as they like the Danes.
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(12-26-2025, 04:30 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: And yet they do it and say that it's what their god wants.
That is exactly my point.  People can do horrible things and say it’s in the name of their God. That doesn’t mean their religion is to blame. Mis-identifying the problem only leads to more conflict and extremism.
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