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#51
One of our esteemed colleagues on this thread said no one had been jailed for a social media post well here is the first result. 
I don't agree with what she said, but I don't think she should be in jail!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/arti...port-riots
 Woman, 53, jailed over ‘blow the mosque up’ Facebook post after Southport riots

I mean let's face it, FB commenting is pretty much the alleyway graffiti of our time.
#52
Or is it a fight that is only beginning?

Can the social norms of one country, presumably one society, be so applied as to 'force' non citizens to face their sensibilities under threat of force? 

Well, it is certainly so, it seems, given the existence of wars, and 'traditional' hatreds
(perpetually stoked and breathed upon by media productions for someone's amusement.)

It's a bigger problem... but we'll see eventually whether the globalist "movement" somehow contrives to make it possible to make law in any country.

While it might seem to be something to work out between nations, when nations presumably represent their people... some are going to have to accept limitations to their "authority."
#53
The Britishers on this thread have told me there is no fascist state in the UK, mate, that's all hearsay, no one is getting locked up for free speech!  
I am sad to report more news that puts the lie to these protestations of freedom:


Mother Put in Jail for Parenting

Police Arrest Over 30 Per Day Over Online posts

What say our esteemed cousins over the pond?

Double points if you don't excuse the fascist overreaching behaviour with the words 'hate speech' and 'bad apples'
#54
Based on this set of guidelines it seems the UK is breaking it's own laws, as these people did not have a 'targeted campaign of harrassment' 

Heres a solictor's site:

https://www.bannerjones.co.uk/resources/...to-knowCan I be prosecuted for an offensive post?The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has outlined that in order to face charges for a social media post, the post must amount to a credible threat of violence, be a targeted campaign of harassment against an individual or breach a court order.
#55
The prosecutorial practice of lumping all people who, driven by personal faith, or personal disposition, dare utter their mind,
into a single "coordinated" assault on "society," raises a specter of the kind of thinking that gave rise to some very ugly times in the past...

The people of the UK will resolve this... eventually... assuming the ideologues in government and media don't actively block them.
#56
(04-14-2025, 09:44 AM)sahgwa Wrote: The Britishers on this thread have told me there is no fascist state in the UK, mate, that's all hearsay, no one is getting locked up for free speech!  
I am sad to report more news that puts the lie to these protestations of freedom:


Mother Put in Jail for Parenting

Police Arrest Over 30 Per Day Over Online posts

What say our esteemed cousins over the pond?

Double points if you don't excuse the fascist overreaching behaviour with the words 'hate speech' and 'bad apples'

The first one, she wasn't "locked up".  She was held in a cell whilst a reported theft was investigated.
She wasn't actually charged.  From your link:

"Surrey Police said a search operation for the devices started after a man in his 40s reported a possible theft, having already been called out to a “concern for safety” on March 26."

The second is behind a paywall, but there is a big difference in being arrested, charged and jailed.

That said, I think Plod has better things to do.

"Locked up" is an exaggeration.  It implies a jail sentence.
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#57
(05-07-2025, 10:53 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: The first one, she wasn't "locked up".  She was held in a cell whilst a reported theft was investigated.
She wasn't actually charged.  From your link:

"Surrey Police said a search operation for the devices started after a man in his 40s reported a possible theft, having already been called out to a “concern for safety” on March 26."

The second is behind a paywall, but there is a big difference in being arrested, charged and jailed.

That said, I think Plod has better things to do.

"Locked up" is an exaggeration.
With due respect, I think we are splitting hairs when someone is held in a jail cell versus being 'jailed' .  She was held against her will behind closed doors , for parenting her child.

I am not getting a paywall on second link. Here is my paste:Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messagesCivil liberties groups say that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech using vague laws
Charlie Parker
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Yennah Smart
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George Willoughby

Friday April 04 2025, 9.20pm BST, The Times 

 Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine were arrested on suspicion of harassment, malicious communications and causing a nuisance on school property

SIMON JACOBS FOR THE TIMES

The police are making more than 30 arrests a day over offensive posts on social media and other platforms.
Thousands of people are being detained and questioned for sending messages that cause “annoyance”, “inconvenience” or “anxiety” to others via the internet, telephone or mail.

Custody data obtained by The Times shows that officers are making about 12,000 arrests a year under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
The acts make it illegal to cause distress by sending “grossly offensive” messages or sharing content of an “indecent, obscene or menacing character” on an electronic communications network.
Officers from 37 police forces made 12,183 arrests in 2023, the equivalent of about 33 per day. This marks an almost 58 per cent rise in arrests since before the pandemic. In 2019, forces logged 7,734 detentions.

The statistics have provoked criticism from civil liberties groups that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech using “vague” communications laws.
As director of public prosecutions, Sir Keir Starmer issued Crown Prosecution Service guidance stating that offensive social media messages should only lead to prosecution in “extreme circumstances”.
Analysis of government data shows that the number of convictions and sentencings for communications offences has dramatically decreased over the past decade.
According to Ministry of Justice figures, there were 1,119 sentencings for Section 127 and Section 1 offences in 2023, down by almost half since 2015 when 1,995 people were found guilty of the crimes.
There are several reasons for arrests not resulting in sentencing, such as out-of-court resolutions. But the most common is “evidential difficulties”, specifically that the victim does not support taking further action.

There has been an outcry about police “overreach” and fears that officers could be “curtailing democracy” by arresting people for malicious communications offences.
The Times reported last week that Hertfordshire police sent six officers to detain a couple and put them in a cell for eight hours after their child’s primary school objected to the volume of emails they sent and “disparaging” comments made in a WhatsApp group.

Maxie Allen, 50, and Rosalind Levine, 46, were questioned on suspicion of harassment, malicious communications and causing a nuisance on school property. After a five-week investigation, the police concluded that there should be no further action.

A police officer also said that elected officials could be treated as harassment suspects if they continued advocating for the couple.
Andy Prophet, chief constable of Hertfordshire, defended the arrests, saying that the force had given warnings and they were lawful, although he conceded that “with the benefit of hindsight we could have achieved the same ends in a different way”.


Officers from 37 police forces made 12,183 arrests in 2023, the equivalent of about 33 per day

RASID NECATI ASLIM/GETTY IMAGESAccording to the data obtained by The Times, the force with the highest number of arrests in 2023 was the Metropolitan Police (1,709), the largest force in the UK, followed by West Yorkshire (963) and Thames Valley (939). However, when adjusted for population, Leicestershire police had the highest rate of arrests per 100,000 with 83. Cumbria police was second (58) and Northamptonshire police third (50).

The total arrest figures are likely to be far higher because eight forces failed to respond to freedom of information requests or provided inadequate data, including Police Scotland, the second largest force in the UK. Some forces also included arrests for “threatening” messages, though these do not fall under the specified sections.
Jake Hurfurt, head of research and investigations at Big Brother Watch, a civil liberties group, said the increase of arrests for communications offences is “seriously concerning”.
He said: “Police look to be wasting countless hours on arresting people for posting things online that, while offensive, are not illegal. Heavy-handed use of vague communications offences is a threat to everyone’s freedom to express themselves online.

“Police must remember that free speech is a right, and only intervene when absolutely necessary, because needless arrests for social media posts have a chilling effect that will cause the decline of our democratic culture.

“These statistics are seriously concerning and the home secretary should instigate an independent review into police arrests for online speech and the health of free expression in the UK.”
Toby Young, the founder and director of the Free Speech Union, said his organisation was helping half a dozen people who were being prosecuted for section 127 or section 1 offences.
They include David Wootton, 40, who is appealing against a conviction for dressing up as the Manchester Arena bomber, Salman Abedi, for a Halloween party last year.


David Wootton dressed as the Manchester Arena bomber, Salman Abedi, for a Halloween partyHe had posted images on social media showing him wearing an Arabic-style headdress, and the slogan “I love Ariana Grande” on his T-shirt, and carrying a rucksack with “Boom” and “TNT” written on the front. Wootton was arrested and admitted sending an offensive message online. He faces up to two years in prison.

Young accused police forces of being “over-zealous in pursuing people for alleged speech crimes”.
He added: “Given that only 11 per cent of the violent and sexual offence cases in England and Wales were closed after a suspect was caught or charged in the year to June 2024, a steep decline on previous years, it seems extraordinary that the police are wasting so much time arresting people for hurty words.

“Sir Keir Starmer emphatically denied there is a free speech crisis in Britain when JD Vance raised this with him at the White House, but this data suggests we have a serious problem.”
A suspect arrested on suspicion of malicious communications may have also been arrested on suspicion of other linked offences. So while they might not have been sentenced for that offence, they might for another offence if it was part of the same incident.

A spokeswoman for Leicestershire police said crimes under Section 127 and Section 1 include “any form of communication” such as phone calls, letters, emails and hoax calls to emergency services.
“They may also be serious domestic abuse-related crimes. Our staff must assess all of the information to determine if the threshold to record a crime has been met.
“Where a malicious communications offence is believed to have taken place, appropriate action will be taken. Our staff must consider whether the communication may be an expression which would be considered to be freedom of speech. While it may be unacceptable to be rude or offensive it is not unlawful — unless the communication is ‘grossly offensive’.

“Freedom of speech is enshrined within our society, and while communications may be rude, impolite or offensive, they may not be unlawful. Decisions are made taking this into consideration and if found not to be unlawful, will not be recorded as a crime.”

Other police forces deferred to the National Police Chiefs’ Council, which did not provide a comment.
#58
"With due respect, I think we are splitting hairs when someone is held in a jail cell versus being 'jailed' .  She was held against her will behind closed doors , for parenting her child."

It's not splitting hairs.  Just pointing out the differences between being held in a Police cell pending an investigation and receiving a jail sentence.  And it wasn't for "parenting", it was because of a reported theft.

But like I said Plod should have better things to do.

As for us living in a fascist state, at least we don't threaten our Judges who dare to rule against our Government, or journalists, lawyers etc who aren't "nice" to it.
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#59
(05-07-2025, 11:22 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "With due respect, I think we are splitting hairs when someone is held in a jail cell versus being 'jailed' .  She was held against her will behind closed doors , for parenting her child."

It's not splitting hairs.  Just pointing out the differences between being held in a Police cell pending an investigation and receiving a jail sentence.  And it wasn't for "parenting", it was because of a reported theft.

But like I said Plod should have better things to do.

As for us living in a fascist state, at least we don't threaten our Judges who dare to rule against our Government, or journalists, lawyers etc who aren't "nice" to it.

It's a slow day - wasn't the gentleman reporting a theft merely in the area and unrelated to the woman who was held? 
The article does not even identify this man or say he is in any way related, its like he was made up to excuse their poor behaviour:Yet it transpired that the two devices belonged to her daughters, and Ms Brown had merely confiscated them to encourage them to focus on their schoolwork, a fact Surrey Police has now acknowledged.
“I find it quite traumatic even talking about this now,” Ms Brown recalled.
“At no point did they [the officers] think to themselves, ‘Oh, this is a little bit of an overreaction for a moment, confiscating temporarily her iPads and popping over to her mum's to have a coffee’. It was just a complete overreaction.
“It was thoroughly unprofessional. They were speaking to my mother, who is in her 80s, like she was a criminal.”
Surrey Police said a search operation for the devices started after a man in his 40s reported a possible theft, having already been called out to a “concern for safety” on March 26.



And as for the second article, that is an awful lot of arrests for so called free speech. 

And as for some American judges being 'threatened', they are often being caught in the act of sheltering the very criminals they are supposed to be prosecuting, i.e. breaking the laws themselves, but that's not part of this thread, sir.
#60
"And as for some American judges being 'threatened', they are often being caught in the act of sheltering the very criminals they are supposed to be prosecuting, i.e. breaking the laws themselves, but that's not part of this thread, sir."

Indeed.  But that wasn't what I meant.  I was referring to freedom of speech, or lack thereof, over the Pond.
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