UK Locks Up Citizens for Social Media Posts

[sahgwa]

Viewed this at lunch today.

I figured we could speak about something other than the USA for a change.

For our UK users, is it true that if I say 'I don't like my MP Nigel Goodbelly, I think he is bad for our area.' I can get put in gaol for 6 months?
It seems like that has happened multiple times.

Is what Paul Watson is saying, true? 'The UK used to have free speech, but not anymore'



Please no strawman attacks against myself or Paul, as I know his channel is 'right wing.'  Just attack the idea.

Criticise immigration and pass out stickers saying 'love your nation' and 'it's okay to be white' (Sam White case) and you get 2 years in prison.  

That's not free speech!

[Maxmars]

The next natural evolution of this "trend" is being "gently reminded" that good speak is good, and bad speak is bad.

The actual where and when describing how this state came to pass will be conjectured by talking heads for a long time.

But you know... it's personal thought that should be proscribed and monitored... no?  That's the logical next step.

Considering the U.K. has entered a paradigm of "punishable opinions" I can't say I'm confident about the prospects of self-expression there.

[sahgwa]

'Gentle reminded'

It reminds me of my teachers my whole life telling me it was good to use your own judgement, thought process and critical thinking.  
Learning to get to the root of the problem, and disregard emotional attacks, illogical patterns, and get to the meat and make 'common sense' decisions.
Then all of a sudden in COVID 'they' were literally shouting from the roof tops 'DO NOT DO YOUR OWN THINKING. IT IS DANGEROUS TO TRUST YOURSELF' etc etc

'Disinformation' was pretty much invented during that PSYOP and now I am not sure, is critical thinking still bad or am I 'allowed' to again?

[guyfriday]

The next natural evolution of this "trend" is being "gently reminded" that good speak is good, and bad speak is bad.

The actual where and when describing how this state came to pass will be conjectured by talking heads for a long time.

But you know... it's personal thought that should be proscribed and monitored... no?  That's the logical next step.

Considering the U.K. has entered a paradigm of "punishable opinions" I can't say I'm confident about the prospects of self-expression there.

That already happened once before, or at least it was done once before publicly.
UK woman arrested for praying across from abortion clinic

Conservatives and free speech activists on Twitter railed against a recent video depicting police interrogating and ultimately arresting a pro-life woman who was silently praying outside a U.K. abortion clinic.
 
Those who watched the woman’s arrest after admitting she was “praying in my head” were appalled. Some claimed this was proof that Great Britain had become a dystopia.
The woman who was arrested, Isabel Vaughan-Spruce, is the director of the U.K. March for Life.
 
According to Alliance Defending Freedom UK (ADF UK), Vaughan-Spruce “was standing near the BPAS Robert Clinic in Kings Norton, Birmingham in an area ADF UK called a ‘censorship zone,’ when police approached her after an onlooker complained she might be praying outside the abortion facility.”

It's interesting to me that in resent weeks (since Trump got back into office) many of the people of these countries are going off about American styled fascism, but willfully ignore their own countries issues. It's just interesting in a 1930s style of way.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Viewed this at lunch today.

I figured we could speak about something other than the USA for a change.

For our UK users, is it true that if I say 'I don't like my MP Nigel Goodbelly, I think he is bad for our area.' I can get put in gaol for 6 months?
It seems like that has happened multiple times.

Is what Paul Watson is saying, true? 'The UK used to have free speech, but not anymore'

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7wmjp4ZKs]

Please no strawman attacks against myself or Paul, as I know his channel is 'right wing.'  Just attack the idea.

Criticise immigration and pass out stickers saying 'love your nation' and 'it's okay to be white' (Sam White case) and you get 2 years in prison.  

That's not free speech!

While those two stickers on their own aren't particularly bad (maybe the second one), we live a world of stereotypes, and those two are white nationalist rhetorical devices, especially the second one. It's usually paired with "WPWW" or something. It goes with theories about "white replacement."

So it's guilt by association, because a large portion of the people who would spread that bumper sticker or agree with it are racist.

2 years, though. That's a bit harsh. They wanted to set an example it appears.

But I think about it, an equivalent would be if I went to Century City (by the synagogues) and passed out stickers that say "from the river to the sea."

Or even going to a Christian family planning event to pass out parody Planned Parenthood abortion coupons.

It's a controversial act done for the sake of its controversy. It's goal is to troll. Which triggers violence in its worst case scenario.

That's the rational, if I had to guess.

[sahgwa]

While those two stickers on their own aren't particularly bad (maybe the second one), we live a world of stereotypes, and those two are white nationalist rhetorical devices, especially the second one. It's usually paired with "WPWW" or something. It goes with theories about "white replacement."

So it's guilt by association, because a large portion of the people who would spread that bumper sticker or agree with it are racist.

2 years, though. That's a bit harsh. They wanted to set an example it appears.

But I think about it, an equivalent would be if I went to Century City (by the synagogues) and passed out stickers that say "from the river to the sea."

Or even going to a Christian family planning event to pass out parody Planned Parenthood abortion coupons.

It's a controversial act done for the sake of its controversy. It's goal is to troll. Which triggers violence in its worst case scenario.

That's the rational, if I had to guess.

All alleged racism aside, which technically is free speech, even if it is distasteful or hateful, you said ' a bit harsh.'

Would you agree to go to jail for even 6 months for placing a sticker that said 'trans lives matter'  ?  Do you think people should be jailed for placing stickers?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Where do I get to place the "trans lives matter" stickers? I mean it's vandalism to place it without permission, so that would be the crime. Do I get to go somewhere fervently anti-trans? Like a LibsofTiktok meet and greet? They do have enough support though, and my figurative gigantic manhood doesn't qualify.

But I'm the type that if there was ever an opportunity for a cause I truly cared about on a personal, not just an empathetic level, I would do something.

This is my mom's idea, in which I have adopted to uphold.

In a hypothetical world where we put through a national ban (against the states wishes) I would carry on her promise to fly girls to Canada as a matter of principle. And proudly be a martyr over it.

[sahgwa]

Where do I get to place the "trans lives matter" stickers? I mean it's vandalism to place it without permission, so that would be the crime. They have enough support though, and my figurative gigantic manhood doesn't qualify.

But I'm the type that if there was ever an opportunity for a cause I truly cared about on a personal, not just an empathetic level, I would do something.

This is my mom's idea, in which I have adopted to uphold.

In a hypothetical world where we put through a national ban (against the states wishes) I would carry on her promise to fly girls to Canada as a matter of principle. And proudly be a martyr over it.

I am wondering if you support jail time for stickering? 
Cuz that is what happened. 

:)I am pro free speech of any and all kinds.

You only get stronger by being made fun of.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I am wondering if you support jail time for stickering? 
Cuz that is what happened. 

:)I am pro free speech of any and all kinds.

You only get stronger by being made fun of.

Well wtg on my part for giving you a politician answer.

Passing them out? No. Applying them to public and private property, yes. Even liberal stickering. Like putting a sticker on a stop sign the says "eating meat" or "the attack on (insert cause)" is the same regardless of ideology going into it.

But if its deliberately offensive it could be considered like spraying swastikas or pro Palestine sentiment on a synagogue. It's hate speech after a certain threshold even if just made to get people to think..

[sahgwa]

I would say hate speech is free speech can be hate speech. I think it's all allowed.  When you get into dictating that certain speech is illegal as it is hurting feelings for certain groups, is when you start getting totalitarian.  And you also kill humour too. 

So say you have committed a 'hate crime' in this example, sounds very Orwellian, should you go to jail?