UK Locks Up Citizens for Social Media Posts

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I would say hate speech is free speech can be hate speech. I think it's all allowed.  When you get into dictating that certain speech is illegal as it is hurting feelings for certain groups, is when you start getting totalitarian.  And you also kill humour too. 

So say you have committed a 'hate crime' in this example, sounds very Orwellian, should you go to jail?

Maybe it should have been flyers without vandalizing adhesives that could blow into a storm drain? Just dissolve away.

There's a line of moderation somewhere. Where you can say it. Pass out a free newspaper that says it, but once you laminate the headlines and plaster a wall with it, the act crosses an imaginary line of too provocational. Too trollolol.

It sounds stupid, but it's how you do your protected hate speech.

Personally, I don't get hurt when things that should offend me get tossed about, mostly I find myself amused how people fail to get even the pointed remarks right, but others get upset at everything that could be offensive to them. Others feel like it's an insult that cannot stand and hire lawyers or try to cancel you. Which if I had to guess, super tolerance, mob condemnation mentality, and criminalized hate speech is party derived from..

[sahgwa]

Maybe it should have been flyers without vandalizing adhesives that could blow into a storm drain? Just dissolve away.

There's a line of moderation somewhere. Where you can say it. Pass out a free newspaper that says it, but once you laminate the headlines and plaster a wall with it, the act crosses an imaginary line of too provocational. Too trollolol.

It sounds stupid, but it's how you do your protected hate speech.

Personally, I don't get hurt when things that should offend me get tossed about, mostly I find myself amused how people fail to get even the pointed remarks right, but others get upset at everything that could be offensive to them. Others feel like it's an insult that cannot stand and hire lawyers or try to cancel you. Which if I had to guess, super tolerance, mob condemnation mentality, and criminalized hate speech is party derived from..

Moderated free speech is not really free? Or is it. hmm 'you cant yell fire in a crowded room blabalbla'

I understand what you're saying but you didnt answer the question about jail time :D  Thats the whole point of this thread.

[putnam6]

"my figurative gigantic manhood" 

Might have to steal that

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

"my figurative gigantic manhood" 

Might have to steal that

Cleaned up version of something more crude, but essentially translates right. It just seems like something you'd need in a throwback society. Especially with President Yesterday.

It's the metaphorical call to strap on and go peg "the propagators of all genocide" in the competitive measured style they're most accustomed to.

[putnam6]

Cleaned up version of something more crude, but essentially translates right. It just seems like something you'd need in a throwback society. Especially with President Yesterday.

It's the metaphorical need to strap on and go peg "the propagators of all genocide" in the style they're accustomed to.

Yes yes, I might be 60 but I understood the concept and the point you were trying to drive home, though I don't have the vocabulary to describe it as succinctly and colorful as you do.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Moderated free speech is not really free? Or is it. hmm 'you cant yell fire in a crowded room blabalbla'

I understand what you're saying but you didnt answer the question about jail time :D  Thats the whole point of this thread.

Okay then...

If his stickering crosses a certain threshold of chaos creation yes, if not no.

But he intended to troll racial sensitivities and promote hate ideology, with a proclaimed intent for people to flood their areas with race-baiting stickers, so they can hang this nazi jackass with 3 yards of cord and a sliding board for all I care.

No different than these far right idiots in their deliberate instigation of status quo sensitivities.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-...ed-through

A far-right activist who set up an online library of racist stickers for supporters to download and put up in their area has been jailed. 

Samuel Melia, 34, a regional organiser for right-wing organisation Patriotic Alternative, distributed the printable stickers via an online channel with the intent of stirring up racial hatred.

Melia set up a group called the Hundred Handers on the social media platform Telegram, which had more than 3,500 subscribers, and members were able to download and then print the stickers.

When Melia was arrested in Farsley, near Leeds, in April 2021, a number of stickers were found in his wallet, which included slogans expressing views of a nationalist nature.

Following a subsequent search of Melia’s home, police discovered a book by Oswald Moseley, who founded the British Union of Fascists, a poster of Adolf Hitler and a Nazi emblem.

[UltraBudgie]

The next natural evolution of this "trend" is being "gently reminded" that good speak is good, and bad speak is bad.

The actual where and when describing how this state came to pass will be conjectured by talking heads for a long time.

But you know... it's personal thought that should be proscribed and monitored... no?  That's the logical next step.

Considering the U.K. has entered a paradigm of "punishable opinions" I can't say I'm confident about the prospects of self-expression there.

It's always shocking how narrow the gap between "gentle reminder" and "string them up" is. It goes so quickly from "wrongthink" to "unacceptable" to "social pariah" to "unable to participate in work or school" to "lock them up", and before you know it, people are advocating lynching. Sigh.

See for example how Trump is advancing the Heritage Foundation agenda. (Read this thing. The lengths it goes to are... scary.)
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/r...tisemitism

"American students will be permanently expelled"

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump...7452161158

It amazes me how people can selectively support agendas that happen to align with their ideological bias, while simultaneously railing against "fascistic" agendas that don't, even when both agendas come from the same damn source.

[UltraBudgie]

Oh and here's some more info about the "Take It Down" act that Trump was talking about last night:

The Senate just passed the Take It Down Act…. Once it passes the House, I look forward to signing that bill into law. And I’m going to use that bill for myself too if you don’t mind, because nobody gets treated worse than I do online, nobody.

from the EFF:

The Take It Down Act is an overbroad, poorly drafted bill that would create a powerful system to pressure removal of internet posts, with essentially no safeguards. While the bill is meant to address a serious problem—the distribution of non-consensual intimate imagery (NCII)—the notice-and-takedown system it creates is an open invitation for powerful people to pressure websites into removing content they dislike. There are no penalties for applying very broad, or even farcical definitions of what constitutes NCII, and then demanding that it be removed.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/03/tr...-it-censor

Yeah.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Let's see how that works out. It's built on the best intentions, which I'm gathering is revenge porn posting and catfishing. This seems like DMCA with leaked or unauthorized videos and images, along identity theft lines.

But the wording really is bad.

And a hell of a task, porn video sites are nothing but unauthorized reposting of intimate images. Some get caught, others don't. Not everyone is getting royalties though.

Heritage Foundation indeed. Seems like a broad way to censor pornography and even posts people don't like because nothing explicitly says they can't.

But he has restored free speech to greatness, so you know it will NEVER be used for that... right? He's not going to go gestapo with this, is he?

And thank you for forcing the elephant be explained. The both sides of the mouth thing. Why I don't think jailing the nazi sticker proprietor is against free speech but abusing a bill like this could be eventually.

Imagine if I changed my signature to something like, "It's probably best for the future if you stop breeding now, bigoted people." It entirely is free speech. Even hate speech. But I could probably post that. But if I decided to derail threads and post responses that say that and only that everywhere i could, It's trolling and now it's me using my free speech to instigate people.

This bill is more primary and overreaching, it seems to create a way to take it down ANYTHING being posted, even if it's not intended to troll. It's almost like a backdoor to reboot comstock laws on a technicality.

The elephant here is sometimes a lie.

He mentioned taking care of how he gets treated. Hmmmm. I really do dare his gigantic but tiny and fragile ego to try to start taking down criticisms of him, or forcing media hosts to uphold such nonsense.

[Purplefowler]

Ok I’ll be brave and make this my first non intro post. There was a spate of people getting arrested after the riots that happened after those poor kids where mudered in Southport last year, but from what I can gather there was more to most of the arrests, there was more than just some twitter posts. It became a line championed by the right that you could get arrested for social media posts and we were living under some sort of fascist state, but I have seen no real evidence of this. If I was to post that kier starmer is a kiddie fiddler apologist who has no clue what he is doing and is running the country into the ground (but in stronger language than I’d use here of course), I am quite within my rights as a Brit to do so. There are differences between sharing an opinion and actual hate speech though and if you cross over into inflammatory or potentially incendiary stuff though so if I posted something racist that could be seen to be a call to harm someone or start a riot, then yes I’d also expect a knock on the door. But as a whole, free speech is alive and kicking, regardless of what the more right leaning propagandists might what you to believe.

If anything, from this side of the pond, it seems like our American cousins are the ones who need to watch what they say or think, but I have learnt that these things are normally spread by people what have an agenda to push themselves. I’d hazard a guess that both Americans and brits are as free as they’ve always been………..oh that’s odd, there’s a knock at the door…….hello………no wait…….you can’t take me away…………no I’m sure kier starmer is a great man……..no I didn’t mean it officer, don’t beat me……..aurghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!