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(09-12-2025, 01:40 PM)matafuchyou Wrote: Remember the story about him flushing top secret docs at the WH? Remember the story about him trying to take control of the Beast on 1/6? Remember when he was raided and we were told he was selling state secrets? Remember when they told us he was colluding with Russians. Should we keep going? 

If there was any solid evidence it would not be this. That's all. Some common sense.


Remember when Trump used to be Democrat?
Remember when Trump and Clinton were friends?
Remember when Trump and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton sent Epstein a birthday greeting?
Remember when it isn't a stretch of the imagination or unreasonable to believe that Trump would also send Epstein a birthday greeting?

Common sense

Trump is having his people call Republican congress people and threatening them against signing the petition. Trump is interfering and obstructing 

But it doesn't matter 
Massie needs only one more signature

It doesn't matter if you're sick of the Epstein stuff

This train won't be derailed
(09-06-2025, 06:49 PM)RuchardHurt Wrote: MAGA has lost all creditably and they know this. So now they are most likely going to go scorched earth just to distract and we the people will be the ones that suffer because of this.

Nothing is more comical and consistent than Liberal mind-reading. I see TV shows that are nothing but Trump "mind-reading" . Meltdown, panic and big secret plans....all derived from the highly accurate mind-reading.
I do not believe the other shoe has dropped as yet


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The thing is you don’t get to be in any position of power if you can’t be blackmailed in some way. It’s not the cream that rises to the top but the scum. Though our leaders are supposed to at least pretend they have the interests of the general population at heart. 
In reality they work for TPTB. The opposition is just there for theatre, a sense of balance, there is none.
(09-13-2025, 07:54 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: The thing is you don’t get to be in any position of power if you can’t be blackmailed in some way. It’s not the cream that rises to the top but the scum. Though our leaders are supposed to at least pretend they have the interests of the general population at heart. 
In reality they work for TPTB. The opposition is just there for theatre, a sense of balance, there is none.

Eh, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Any position of power? I think the system is, to a very large extent, what it appears to be: a muddling democracy with various levels of corruption. At the same time, I do think that there are key nexus points of power that are strictly controlled by non-public interests. And yes bribery and kompromat are used. More often though, the "politics of personal destruction"¹ are used, and the divisive nature of the system ensures that every politician can be smeared, from some particular angle. Just add money and a leavening smidgen of agitprop.

The theory for how this stuff works—controlling a large chaotic network completely by broad undirected influence and identified key positions—is a well-developed science. Much of the political climate in America right now, in my opinion, is a result of many of these sophisticated "hearts and minds"² technologies weaponized in the '00s in Middle East conflict coming home to roost in the backrooms of American politics.

¹ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/02...struction/
² https://www.inss.org.il/publication/soci...-feelings/
(09-12-2025, 05:17 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Remember when Trump used to be Democrat?
Remember when Trump and Clinton were friends?
Remember when Trump and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton sent Epstein a birthday greeting?
Remember when it isn't a stretch of the imagination or unreasonable to believe that Trump would also send Epstein a birthday greeting?

Common sense

Trump is having his people call Republican congress people and threatening them against signing the petition. Trump is interfering and obstructing 

But it doesn't matter 
Massie needs only one more signature

It doesn't matter if you're sick of the Epstein stuff

This train won't be derailed


I dont get the obsession for the list. If there is a list and Trump is on it, what than? What if Biden or obama is on it. What than? a list with names will only prove they are on a list with some other names. No one is going to jail even if they deserve it. Not unless there is some hard evidence. But a list of names aint going to do squat.
(09-13-2025, 08:11 AM)Heiden Wrote: I dont get the obsession for the list. If there is a list and Trump is on it, what than? What if Biden or obama is on it. What than? a list with names will only prove they are on a list with some other names. No one is going to jail even if they deserve it. Not unless there is some hard evidence. But a list of names aint going to do squat.
The hard evidence is damn near impossible to have. But the most we public can get is what's released.
Why would the most transparent administration that ran on such information be held from the public.
(09-13-2025, 08:15 AM)RuchardHurt Wrote: The hard evidence is damn near impossible to have. But the most we public can get is what's released.
Why would the most transparent administration that ran on such information be held from the public.



We dont even know if there is a list
(09-13-2025, 08:10 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Eh, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Any position of power? I think the system is, to a very large extent, what it appears to be: a muddling democracy with various levels of corruption. At the same time, I do think that there are key nexus points of power that are strictly controlled by non-public interests. And yes bribery and kompromat are used. More often though, the "politics of personal destruction"¹ are used, and the divisive nature of the system ensures that every politician can be smeared, from some particular angle. Just add money and a leavening smidgen of agitprop.

The theory for how this stuff works—controlling a large chaotic network completely by broad undirected influence and identified key positions—is a well-developed science. Much of the political climate in America right now, in my opinion, is a result of many of these sophisticated "hearts and minds"² technologies weaponized in the '00s in Middle East conflict coming home to roost in the backrooms of American politics.

¹ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/02...struction/
² https://www.inss.org.il/publication/soci...-feelings/


Where was the opposition to the Covid policies? Except strangely for Sweden all first world countries acted in lockstep. Trump initially played it down but soon rushed out the Vaccines, people might protest things such as the wars in the Middle East, occupy Wall Street etc.. but the political class just do the bidding of their financial masters. 
The famous quote by Mayer Rothschild is something to effect of, “I care not who makes a nations policies, for he who controls the money supply controls the nation”
Eisenhower and JFK warned us of the real powers behind the curtain, all sorts of shady organisations have been setup to shape society to their goals. Think of all the various groups that are known about never mind the ones even more secretive. The “Hidden Hand” moves everywhere and controls everything of import. 

Their best idea was giving people democracy, which is nothing but mob rule and divisive at its core. How can 51% dictate over the other 49% and call it fair? Yet we see many elections which are that close, deliberately meant to alienate almost half of the population for the old divide and rule strategy. Yet people  think they get a choice, a say in things, how ridiculous. 

On here and the old ATS Karl12 amongst others does/did a great job of exposing these various groups and their shady machinations. Yet how popular are their posts? Barely a like or comment compared to the flame wars of the right and left. People of both sides have sensible and reasonable points but what’s brought to the forefront? It’s the extremes of both. So people pick up on these and end up throwing the baby out with the bath water. 

I don’t exaggerate why I say the world not just America is run by utter bastards. The only reason it hasn’t collapsed is because of their sense of self preservation and to keep the gravy train running for as long as possible.



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