Trump says he bombed Iran

[DBCowboy]

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/204129...23028?s=20

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Well yay for your team 

[andy06shake]

I get that he said that.

But you can't defeat an evil regime and keep the lights on.

We aren't bombing to win hearts and minds.

We want to crush the Iranian regime to dust.

That's how wars are won and aren't perpetuated.

Again, you can't liberate 90 million Iranians if you bomb them back into the Stone Age.

You can't bomb for peace DB it just doesn't work.

If you turn off all the lights, 100,000s of people, possibly millions, are going to die...

Think about it, what would happen if we were to turn off all power to our cities for a couple of weeks, whilst raining down death and destruction from the skies?

What would be left standing after a few months.

You can't do that to 90 million people in this day of age.

Trumps right, it will be apocalyptic, and if that's the case, who does that make him, or rather what?

[cherokeetroy]

Well yay for your team 

Regina and the Plastics have entered the chat

[DBCowboy]

Again, you can't liberate 90 million Iranians if you bomb them back into the Stone Age.

You can't bomb for peace DB it just doesn't work.

If you turn off all the lights, 100,000s of people, possibly millions, are going to die...

If we keep the lights on, 100,000's to millions will die.

A dirty bomb in the UK, New York, Paris, Abu Dabi  . . . . . . .

[andy06shake]

If we keep the lights on, 100,000's to millions will die.

A dirty bomb in the UK, New York, Paris, Abu Dabi  . . . . . . .

And is this dirty bomb in the room with us right now? 

Thats just speculation.

We could build a crude dirty bomb with Americium from the likes of enouth smoke detectors.

Obviously, not going to get into that, but it certainly is not beyond the realms of possibility.  

Does that mean that it's going to happen?

No.

You can't commit war crimes against 90 million people under the premise that their government might do something nasty.

Thats just not how it works, and America is better than that, even if Trump is not...

[ANNEE]

Yeah, it's not rocket science, but Annie, you need brain surgery if you think for a New York minute Vance would EVER initiate the 25th.

You lose credibility by suggesting it could potentially happen...

Now that would be kabuki theater

You might wanna start with spelling my name right.  It's ANNEE

Hmmm, Vance -- oh yeah -- I'm so sure he doesn't want to be president.

Politicians are vulnerable to many pressures -- if the real PTB -- decide they want Trump gone -- Vance will comply.

You lose credibility thinking it can't happen.

[putnam6]

LuteRole icon, Pleb — 8:46 PM
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Tuesday’s Pentagon briefing with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Dan Caine has been canceled, according to the U.S. Defense Department.

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Just for clarity

Power plants and desalination facilities are they protected by the Geneva Convention

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No, power plants and desalination facilities are not specifically "protected by the Geneva Conventions" in the same absolute way hospitals or certain cultural sites are. However, they are afforded important protections under international humanitarian law (IHL), which includes the 1949 Geneva Conventions and their 1977 Additional Protocols (especially Additional Protocol I for international armed conflicts). These rules highlight the principle of distinction (civilian objects versus military targets), proportionality, and precautions in attack.

General Protections for Both as Civilian Objects
• Under Additional Protocol I, Article 52, civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or reprisals. Civilian objects include anything that is not a military objective.
• A military objective must meet two cumulative criteria:
1. By its nature, location, purpose, or use, it makes an effective contribution to military action.
2. Its total or partial destruction, capture, or neutralization offers a definite military advantage in the circumstances at the time.
• In case of doubt about whether a normally civilian-purpose object (like a power plant or desalination facility) is being used for military action, it must be presumed civilian.
• Attacks must also satisfy proportionality (expected civilian harm not excessive relative to concrete military gain) and precautions (all feasible steps to minimize civilian harm and damage to civilian objects). Indiscriminate attacks or those primarily intended to terrorize civilians are prohibited.
Power plants and desalination facilities are typically civilian objects when serving the general population. Widespread or systematic attacks on them solely to harm civilians or cause suffering can violate IHL and may amount to war crimes (e.g., under grave breaches provisions like extensive destruction of property not justified by military necessity).
Specific Considerations for Power Plants (Including Non-Nuclear)
• Conventional (non-nuclear) power plants or electrical grids are often viewed as dual-use infrastructure because electricity supports both civilian life and military operations (communications, industry, transport, etc.).
• Many military manuals, including the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual, recognize that electrical power stations can qualify as military objectives if they contribute effectively to the adversary's military effort and their neutralization offers a definite advantage. However, this is assessed case-by-case, not automatically.
• Even if targetable as a military objective, the attack must still comply with proportionality and precautions. Attacks causing excessive civilian suffering (e.g., loss of power to hospitals, water systems, or heating in winter) can be unlawful. Some interpretations link power infrastructure indirectly to "objects indispensable to survival" when its loss severely impacts water, food, or health systems.
• Nuclear power plants have heightened ("special") protection under Additional Protocol I, Article 56 (and similarly in Additional Protocol II for non-international conflicts). They cannot be attacked—even if they become military objectives—if the attack may cause the release of dangerous forces (radioactive material) and consequent severe losses among the civilian population. This protection is very strong due to the catastrophic risks involved. Exceptions are narrow (e.g., only if the plant provides regular, significant, direct support to military operations and the attack is the only feasible way to stop it).
Specific Considerations for Desalination Facilities
• Desalination plants are generally treated as civilian objects and, more importantly, as objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population under Additional Protocol I, Article 54 (and customary IHL, Rule 54).
• Article 54 prohibits attacking, destroying, removing, or rendering useless objects like drinking water installations and supplies (explicitly including such facilities) for the purpose of denying them to the civilian population or adverse party, whatever the motive (including to cause starvation, movement, or other suffering). This applies even if the facility has some military use, with limited exceptions (e.g., if used solely for armed forces' sustenance or in specific defense-of-territory scenarios, and only if it won't starve civilians).
• Attacks on desalination plants risk violating the prohibition on starvation as a method of warfare and can have severe humanitarian consequences in water-scarce regions. They must also respect distinction, proportionality, and precautions. Recent analyses (e.g., in Gulf or Middle East contexts) emphasize that targeting them is often unlawful due to their critical role in civilian water supply.
Key Limitations and Realities
• Not absolute immunity: Neither type of facility has blanket protection like Red Cross-marked hospitals. If a power plant or desalination facility is actively and effectively used for military purposes (e.g., powering only military bases or integrated into command systems), it may lose protection to the extent it qualifies as a military objective. However, the civilian harm from disabling it is a major factor in legality assessments.
• Customary IHL: Many of these rules (distinction, proportionality, protection of indispensable objects) bind all states as customary law, even if they haven't ratified the Additional Protocols (e.g., the U.S. has not ratified AP I but accepts core principles).
• Context matters: In occupied territory, the occupying power has additional duties under Geneva Convention IV to maintain public health, hygiene, and essential services (including water and power where possible).
• Violations (e.g., deliberate targeting of purely civilian infrastructure or disproportionate attacks) can constitute war crimes, but enforcement depends on investigations by bodies like the ICC or national courts.
In short:
• Desalination facilities enjoy stronger specific protections as critical water infrastructure under Article 54.
• Power plants are protected as civilian objects unless they clearly qualify as military objectives, with nuclear ones having extra safeguards under Article 56.
• In both cases, IHL imposes strict limits to spare civilians. Parties to conflicts must always distinguish, weigh proportionality, and take precautions. Deliberate or reckless attacks causing widespread civilian suffering often cross into illegality.
For precise application in a specific conflict, legal advice from IHL experts or bodies like the ICRC is essential, as facts on the ground (usage, military contribution, expected harm) determine outcomes. The Geneva Conventions and Protocols aim to limit suffering, not to create invulnerable targets.

[DBCowboy]

And is this dirty bomb in the room with us right now? 

Thats just speculation.

We could build a crude dirty bomb with Americium from the likes of enouth smoke detectors.

Obviously, not going to get into that, but it certainly is not beyond the realms of possibility.  

Does that mean that it's going to happen?

No.

You can't commit war crimes against 90 million people under the premise that their government might do something nasty.

Thats just not how it works, and America is better than that, even if Trump is not...

We're doing them a favor, taking away oppressive regime.

You want the Ayatollah, go fight for fecking him!

[CriticalStinker]

If we keep the lights on, 100,000's to millions will die.

A dirty bomb in the UK, New York, Paris, Abu Dabi  . . . . . . .

Says who?

They could have hit infrastructure targets in the Middle East before tomorrow. They could have hit the Saudi pipeline and made the world go through its worst energy crisis ever. But they haven’t, I wonder why that is?

Self preservation? If they have the capacity for that who is to say they would do something with certainty. And who gets to make my country do it without it even seeing Congress?

I think at this point this is mostly an action of pride. One man’s legacy, a nations pride. The same man who prepped the conversation by talking about the protesters who were killed, and how he was going to help. All a lie, for an end.

[ANNEE]

We're doing them a favor, taking away oppressive regime.

You want the Ayatollah, go fight for fecking him!

You believe killing innocent civilians is going to change a culture?