Trump says he bombed Iran

[angelchemuel]

Damn if the left appealed to more voters, Iran would already be neutralized 

https://x.com/Gitmo99/status/2038784229417390465?s=20
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What is it that the military want so bad, that Iran has, that they have asked (allegedly) every President to invade since the (so-called) fall of the Shah in 1979?
Rainbows
Jane

[quintessentone]

Given your negative feelings about EVs, it's probably going to really piss you off when you realize that Trump has probably done more to advance the use of renewable energy and EVs in the US than any other POTUS. 

Four dollar per gallon gas is the price point where the general public starts switching their purchases from ICE vehicles to EVs.  Average price of gas in the US just went over $4 per gallon today, after only one month of his Special Military Operation (SMO).  I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to $8 per gallon by the end of the year.  Inquires and sales of used EVs have already increased by about 25% or so as a response to the SMO.

Also, his SMO has decreased the world's supply of Liquified Natural Gas by about 20%, so utilities would have to be absolute idiots to try to increase electricity generation in the near future with anything other than solar/wind/battery storage since it is already the cheapest and fastest way to increase generation capacity. 

However, it is too bad that he has spent the last year trying to kill off the EV/renewable energy movement while simultaneously increasing the average fuel consumption of US ICE vehicles since that is simply going to make the US auto industry less competitive in the international market and give China and Europe an economic advantage.  I do feel sorry for Ford and GM for having to sustain billion-dollar losses while trying to keep up with Trump's erratic decision making.

As usual that other member missed the points I was trying to make, entirely.

These are Trump distractions from the Epstein Files, his tariff failures, failures to fulfill his campaign promises regarding affordability, and his incompetence and/or diminished mental capacity. 

It is being reported that Americans have yet to feel the full impact of Trump's erratic decision making, if we can call it decision making.

Long term pain for long term no gain.

[FlyersFan]

 Do you really think that Iran hates you that much that it is willing to sacrifice its own population over it?

You have no clue what Iran is.   Yes of course they are willing to sacrifice their own people in order to accomplish their goals.   The government mass murders them by the tens of thousands simply for expressing themselves in the streets, or for daring to show their hair out from their hijabs.   The government are religious fanatics who are a war machine for their imaginary Mahdi.   They WANT mass war.  It's what they live for.   It's their purpose.   Their entire existence, social and economic, is built on it. They think they are going to war for their fake Allah and Mahdi and that supernatural forces will help them slaughter all the nonMuslims and they'll rule the world in some kind of Muslim wonderland.

[quintessentone]

The US started it, probably wouldn’t if Iran had nukes

You bet the US would have approached Iran the same way they approach Russia, China and North Korea, with a healthy dose of respect because...nukes.

[cherokeetroy]

Anthony Albanese and Kier Starmer address their nations 

https://x.com/AlboMP/status/2039253117385232580?s=20

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/203926...05533?s=20

(Trigger warning: it's got Covid vibes)

[Kwaka]

The government mass murders them by the tens of thousands simply for expressing themselves in the streets, or for daring to show their hair out from their hijabs. 

And how many have died from the jab? How is life expectancy going with the most expensive medical system in the world? Lot of lab rats. How many kids are really missing in the USA?

Bad people are not limited to one culture or nation. To think collective punishment will fix this world is delusional and on the path to the dark side. Take each situation on its own merits.

If you really think women are still getting killed in Iran for showing a piece of hair is dumb. Sure there are family dramas going on like everywhere else. To think the answer is to kill it all sucks bad.

[FlyersFan]

And how ...

Irrelevant.   Deflection.

YOU said that Iran wouldn't sacrifice their own to go after everyone else.
I showed that you are dead wrong.

If you really think women are still getting killed in Iran for showing a piece of hair is dumb.

You are clueless.   The morals police are out in Iran.   The women who let their hair show from under their hijabs are constantly taken into custody and are tossed in jail to be raped and tortured.   That has not stopped.

[quintessentone]

Anthony Albanese and Kier Starmer address their nations 

https://x.com/AlboMP/status/2039253117385232580?s=20

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/203926...05533?s=20

(Trigger warning: it's got Covid vibes)

Yes, definitely rationing vibes because this will be long term pain for ordinary people of all countries. The elite will never feel the pain. The majority of workers prefer working from home, so this may be the next shift for countries to return to covid-era remote processes.

Some people of some countries have yet to feel the pain and/or rationing.

It may be world countries now need to become isolationist in regards to their specific energy needs/uses - to become self-sustaining. Perhaps now is the time for clean renewables to have its heyday.

[Kwaka]

YOU said that Iran wouldn't sacrifice their own to go after everyone else.
I showed that you are dead wrong.

Nope. I don't do see any evidence from you that Iran is willing to sacrifice Tehran for Tel Aviv. If Tehran is getting beat up, they will punch back. It is a standard premises in the concept of self defense. This world has lots of self's, not just one.

[putnam6]

So...posting about actual, real world consequences of a closed Strait and multiple blown up oil refineries is...'end of the world, fatalistic, fear mongering, 'panican', doom porn'

But positing about the potential of Iran getting a nuke and actually using it...isn't the same, damn thing ?

Contre Mon Frère...

the flames thats blistering the brains of the left's youth in 2026,
Is just a little warm for my generation, nothing we haven't done before.

The boomer thermostat is currently at 72/73 at worst in 1990/91, 2001-2005; it felt much hotter.

Fire Marshall Bill understands   if you get it, you get it, if you don't, "shrugs." 



Is the best way I can put it without coffee.


There are degrees of severity and different categories of classification

Militarily, the US has severely damaged Iran's/ability to project power and make war
Politically inside Iran, there is uncertainty, and the old regime is weaker than it has ever been

As for others' anxiety and overt concern, not feeling it because number # 1, my generation has grown past the others' obsessive paranoia, after 2001, especially, there are many points here, the most salient one being that America had to worry and placate the rest of the Middle East in the past. The late Boomers and the Xers have been to the edge a few times and stood and looked down; it's not so bad. This doesn't feel close to out of control, as in 1991, 2001, or 2003. Out of control is when you get POWs, for example. Iraq and Afghanistan routinely took American POWs

Operation Desert Shield (buildup phase) ran from August 2/7, 1990, to January 16/17, 1991. Operation Desert Storm (combat phase) lasted from January 17 to February 28, 1991.
Quick Timeline of Key Events
• August 2, 1990: Iraq invades and occupies Kuwait.
• August 7–8, 1990: Operation Desert Shield begins. The U.S. starts deploying forces to Saudi Arabia to defend against a potential Iraqi attack and build up a coalition.
• November 29, 1990: UN Security Council authorizes "all necessary means" to expel Iraq from Kuwait if it doesn't withdraw by January 15, 1991.
• January 12, 1991: U.S. Congress authorizes the use of force.
• January 17, 1991 (January 16 U.S. time): Operation Desert Storm launches with a massive air campaign against Iraqi targets. This marks the start of combat operations.
• January 17–February 23, 1991: Air war phase dominates, with coalition forces achieving air superiority. Iraq launches Scud missiles at Israel and Saudi Arabia.
• February 24–28, 1991: Ground offensive (the "100-hour war") begins. Coalition forces liberate Kuwait quickly. Iraqi forces largely collapse or surrender in large numbers.
• February 28, 1991: President George H.W. Bush declares a ceasefire. Kuwait is liberated; Iraqi forces are expelled.
The entire Gulf War (Desert Shield + Desert Storm) lasted about six months, with the active combat phase (Desert Storm) being roughly 42–43 days.
U.S. Service Personnel Taken Prisoner
During Operation Desert Storm (the combat phase), 21 U.S. service members were captured by Iraqi forces and held as prisoners of war (POWs). All 21 were repatriated (returned) after the ceasefire. This figure refers to those actually taken prisoner and held; some sources note additional personnel listed as missing in action (MIA) at various points, with one pilot (Navy Capt. Michael Scott Speicher) initially declared MIA after being shot down on the first night of the air campaign (his case was later handled as missing/captured in some tallies, but the repatriated POW count remains 21).
• These 21 included two U.S. servicewomen (e.g., Army Specialist Melissa Rathbun-Nealy was one of the first freed).
• Reports from the time indicate that all or nearly all of these POWs were subjected to torture or abuse while in Iraqi captivity, according to Pentagon briefings and later accounts.
• Note that this is a very small number compared to the tens of thousands of Iraqi POWs captured by coalition forces (over 60,000–70,000 by U.S. forces alone).
The low number of U.S. POWs reflects the rapid, one-sided nature of the ground campaign and coalition air dominance. Most U.S. casualties (147 battle deaths, plus non-battle deaths) were from other causes, such as friendly fire, accidents, or Scud attacks.

#2 Iran was a concern no more, no less; now it's been severely degraded or eliminated.

If they had the capability, they would have used it by now. I'm pretty shocked we haven't seen a dirty bomb, but the longer this goes on, the less likely Iran is to have been even close.

But the world had to be sure