Trump says he bombed Iran

[Orby]

Italy denies use of Sicily airbase to US aircraft carrying weapons for Iran
Angela Giuffridain Rome
Italy has denied use of an airbase in Sicily to US military craft carrying weapons for the war in the Middle East. 
A source at the Italian defence ministry confirmed a report in Corriere della Sera that “some US bombers” had been due to land at Sigonella – a key US navy installation and Nato base – before heading to the Middle East.
According to treaties signed in the late 1950s, the US navy can use the base for logistical and training purposes but not as a transit hub for aircraft used to transport weapons for war unless in an emergency situation, permission for which needs to be approved in parliament.
The source said the US had only sought permission to land the aircraft while they were en route to Sicily, therefore failing to follow procedures that require authorisation to be approved in parliament. It is unclear when the aircraft had been due to land at the base but the source said there was no time to seek approval in parliament. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2...ws-updates

[Kurokage]

So France, Spain and now Italy are saying treaties dictate airbase cannot be used for aircraft transporting weapons for war without parliamentary approval.

I think European countries are having issues about the legality of the Iranian conflict and also the lengths Netanyahu seems to be going to in places like Lebanon.

[andy06shake]

Don and Pete, these Europeans are not your friends they will stab you in the back and laugh behind your backs waiting the day that you leave office, screw them. Why transfer the most advanced weaponry to the EU and NATO when the scoundrels expect your ultimate protection while at the same time won't help you and Israel in your hour of need. You really need to ditch dealing with these losers who are complicit in turning the European Continent into an Islamic State. Recommend the same with Commie Starmer too and this is coming from a Brit.................... Italy denies use of Sicily airbase to US aircraft carrying weapons for Iran war – Europe live 
French Commie slipping into Islamic turncoats at it too. No good can come of dealing with them. They are not on side 
 France refused Israel use of airspace to transfer US weapons for Iran war – reportFrom Reuters:

Italy or France denying them the use of airspace for weapons transfers is about law, diplomacy, and their own national interests.

Not betrayal.

And NATO and EU cooperation isn't a betrayal of Israel or the US.

It's strategy.

Where there are others in play besides the US and Israel.

Israel is not even a member of NATO.

Blaming entire continents for legitimate policy decisions is absurd, Orby.

[CriticalStinker]

So France, Spain and now Italy are saying treaties dictate airbase cannot be used for aircraft transporting weapons for war without parliamentary approval.

I think European countries are having issues about the legality of the Iranian conflict and also the lengths Netanyahu seems to be going to in places like Lebanon.

I don’t think it helps that the UK offered to send an aircraft carrier in the first week, and Trump told them not to bother because he doesn’t want people joining a war after we won.

I think all throughout the war we’ve signaled contempt to our allies. We did so before the war too directly with our speech and also policy.

If the US offered to help someone else, and they told us to kick rocks… I think it would be humiliating to go in after that to assist them if things went south.

If the assistance is being asked in the strait of Hormuz, I’d be wary why US naval vessels avoid the area while asking others to go take it.

[Kurokage]

Italy or France denying them the use of airspace for weapons transfers is about law, diplomacy, and their own national interests.

Not betrayal.

And NATO and EU cooperation isn't a betrayal of Israel or the US.

It's strategy.

Where there are others in play besides the US and Israel.

Israel is not even a member of NATO.

Blaming entire continents for legitimate policy decisions is absurd, Orby.

I agree, I don't see it as a betrayal either.
I mean Trump campaigned on putting America first and getting out of all foreign wars, to then drag America into yet another foreign war. Trump has shown nothing but distain for European countries and NATO.
I don't blame Europe taking a leaf out of Trumps book and putting their own countries safety first.

[Kurokage]

I don’t think it helps that the UK offered to send an aircraft carrier in the first week, and Trump told them not to bother because he doesn’t want people joining a war after we won.

I think all throughout the war we’ve signaled contempt to our allies. We did so before the war too directly with our speech and also policy.

If the US offered to help someone else, and they told us to kick rocks… I think it would be humiliating to go in after that to assist them if things went south.

If the assistance is being asked in the strait of Hormuz, I’d be wary why US naval vessels avoid the area while asking others to go take it.

I think you're correct.

Trump since starting his 2nd term has done nothing but show disrespect for pretty much all of NATO's European members and military whilst cozying up to Putin.  Then attacks Iran on Netanyahu's demands and only after realising it won't be over in a week, demands Europe send help! 
The U.S. hasn't sent a single ship through the Straits and now he's telling NATO they need to take it.
The man couldn't manage his favourite MacDonalds let alone a war.

[Orby]

Italy or France denying them the use of airspace for weapons transfers is about law, diplomacy, and their own national interests.

Not betrayal.

And NATO and EU cooperation isn't a betrayal of Israel or the US.

It's strategy.

Where there are others in play besides the US and Israel.

Israel is not even a member of NATO.

Blaming entire continents for legitimate policy decisions is absurd, Orby.

Those Commies on the continenent don't care for the Yanks or Israel. Tnere is a thing called payback. The yanks research the MIC and supply this technology to the undesrevi ng EUropeans and Starmer. Decades of protection from the Soviets forgotten, two world wars they saved our ancestors from the Germans and fascists etc, yet as soon as the Yanks want a bit of help against a foe that is turning a region bordering the EU into a battle field and going after nukes, then they turn on America and won't help. It's total craziness. There is a chance here to remodel the ME and eliminate Shia terror once and for all, yet the very people who will be under attack next from the Mullahs won't give a little assistance. Total madness, typical rudeness from the Europeans. Why should America look after our protection when our leaders are totally sh*t scared of their Islamic minorities, indeed complicit in destroying our 2,000 year old societies by allowing an Islamic takeover. the world's gone totally mad, at least I can see it as can Don, Pete and Vlad.

[andy06shake]

I agree, I don't see it as a betrayal either.
I mean Trump campaigned on putting America first and getting out of all foreign wars, to then drag America into yet another foreign war. Trump has shown nothing but distain for European countries and NATO.
I don't blame Europe taking a leaf out of Trumps book and putting their own countries safety first.

Yeah, imagine them not wanting to help start, even more of the beginnings, of a Third World War.

Trump jumped feet first into the fire of fundamentalist flames without any real thought of what may happen next.

Expecting others to repeat his performance without any sort of consideration or thought as to the implications is quite frankly ridiculous.

[andy06shake]

Those Commies on the continenent don't care for the Yanks or Israel. Tnere is a thing called payback. The yanks research the MIC and supply this technology to the undesrevi ng EUropeans and Starmer. Decades of protection from the Soviets forgotten, two world wars they saved our ancestors from the Germans and fascists etc, yet as soon as the Yanks want a bit of help against a foe that is turning a region bordering the EU into a battle field and going after nukes, then they turn on America and won't help. It's total craziness. There is a chance here to remodel the ME and eliminate Shia terror once and for all, yet the very people who will be under attack next from the Mullahs won't give a little assistance. Total madness, typical rudeness from the Europeans. Why should America look after our protection when our leaders are totally sh*t scared of their Islamic minorities, indeed complicit in destroying our 2,000 year old societies by allowing an Islamic takeover. the world's gone totally mad, at least I can see it as can Don, Pete and Vlad.

I mean i have to call that exaggeration and a bit of selective history Orby.

Europe didn't "forget" the Second World War, they lived it. 

And the collective defense is now NATO, which the US leads, I may add.

Not every European policy is anti-American.

Shia communities aren't monolithic "terrorists."

A lot of them are mere people, misguided by religion as they may be, attempting to get on with their lives.

And blaming entire religions for geopolitics is simply dangerous.

The Middle East isn't a playground for Trump and his cronies to remodel as they see fit.

And as history clearly shows, interventions often backfire.

Fear and anger don't equal strategy mate.

And that's what we are seeing play out...

[Orby]

I mean i have to call that exaggeration and a bit of selective history Orby.

Europe didn't "forget" the Second World War, they lived it. 

And the collective defense is now NATO, which the US leads, I may add.

Not every European policy is anti-American.

Shia communities aren't monolithic "terrorists."

A lot of them are mere people, misguided by religion as they may be, attempting to get on with their lives.

And blaming entire religions for geopolitics is simply dangerous.

The Middle East isn't a playground for Trump and his cronies to remodel as they see fit.

And as history clearly shows, interventions often backfire.

Fear and anger don't equal strategy mate.

And that's what we are seeing play out...

We couldn't have intervened in the Falklands without USA help. They gave us loads of info through the backdoor that kept our ships safe. We depended on help from an old ally that helped us out in our hour of need. It's crazy not helping them out right now in return of this favour. 

When it comes to muslims you probably have noted by now that I'm not in favour of them taking a stranglehold over Europe and slowly colonising the place. No good can come of it. Ask anyone from tel Aviv, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bataclan, Russian opera house, ME christians, London buses, Greece Cypriots, the list is endless No good can come of letting your nation get over run by muslims. It's crazy, yet the Starmer lovers think it is along with their Commie mates who control the EU. It's total madness. No racism here, Give me a million Hindoos, Eskimos, Sikhs, David Icke fan club members, whoever else, totally fine. But Islamic infiltration into our country and from there into society and politics, sorry no way. It's proven to be a very bad idea long term if you study the past, and present. 

Pete and Done have the balls to sort out the planets issues. I strongly respect doing what needs to be done if we are going to prevent the next 7/10. To me a further step is needed, re-colonisation of the ME and 100 years of brain wahing the natives. i don't believe the West's population is ready to take the death count so there really is no other way than bomb them back to the stone age, like now, every so often and stop the locals achieving any scientific breakthroughs towards WMD. Just keep bombing them, it work.