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(03-11-2026, 11:20 AM)Kurokage Wrote: I'm thinking more of the 50% of evangelicals and other Protestantism's rather than the 22% of Catholics, that's a fair few Americans. 
I checked google ai. it says - About 23% of U.S. adults identify as Evangelical Protestants as of 2023-2024. I lived in Alabama for 9 years. A lot of them there. Those folks were a pain in the butt. But that does mean that more than 3/4 of Americans are NOT fundamentalist Christian and for them this war isn't about religion. And since the POTUS and VPOTUS and Secretary of State aren't fundamentalist, nor most of the cabinet, I'm thinking this isn't about religion for America. (Even though the fundis are probably rubbing their hands together in glee over the thought of the big war and second coming.)
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(03-11-2026, 11:22 AM)Kurokage Wrote: https://www.rawstory.com/150-us-troops-wounded-iran/
Yeah. 150 injured. But most have already returned to duty.
Most were only minorly injured. That number is pretty low
considering all the bombs that Iran is tossing around.
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(03-11-2026, 11:17 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Just turned 50 last July, where does time go, eh?
Woosh...
The problem with the words politicians wield.
Is that they are apt to shut down discussions.
They divide people into sides as opposed to bringing them together.
And that's their bread and butter...
Yes true. But the Yanks are so militarily powerful economically too, they don't really need us. Just tokenism having yours pals around for the worlds media. Starmer wasn't playing ball. But we need the Yanks. Without their military tech, plus their export market for our wares we'd really be in a mess. Maggie bless her soul understood this and would have been leading from the front.
"When you are here for the good of the planet and humanity, the other levels are always trying to protect you in times of danger."
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03-11-2026, 11:35 AM
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(03-11-2026, 11:22 AM)Orby Wrote: WW1 and WW2 militarily. In the defnce of British southern africa too steeming the communist advance in the post colonial period through helping us with Rhodesia and south Arfrica taking the battle to the Cubans in Mozambiques and Angloa, SW africa, etc. In the Falklands giving info on Argie ship movements. Economically many times even giving preferential traetment to our steels / ally exports curtesy of Trump. Scientifically through developments in medicine and sciences. Defence of our nation through technology transfers Tridents and F-35s. Also they carry on our English traditions which without this big baby we'd be on a cutural decline. Believe me Id rather be on side with the Yanks than against them. Shame the leftie liberal Commie Starmer didn't realise this, yet because of incredible Ministry of Defeence corruption with procurement and allocation of resources, we couldn't put a boat to sea or even see this Special Operation coming. Crazy and our Cypriots neighbours now look to others for their defence agaist the Islamic world when our forces were proved to be non available for their defence.
In both First and Second World Wars, America came late to the game, before that they benefited financially from all sides....
Quote:The U.S. remained neutral during the first three years of World War I, which began in Europe in 1914, reflecting a strong public desire to avoid involvement in the conflict and President Woodrow Wilson’s policy of strict neutrality. However, several events shifted American opinion toward intervention. The sinking of the British ocean liner RMS Lusitania by a German U-boat in May 1915, which killed 128 Americans, and Germany’s resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare in early 1917, threatened U.S. shipping and lives. Quote:The United States officially entered World War II on December 8, 1941, following Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
The U.S. had maintained formal neutrality at the start of World War II in 1939, although it provided material support to Allied nations through programs like Lend-Lease, which allowed President Franklin D. Roosevelt to supply Britain and other nations with war equipment while avoiding direct combat.
Britain finally finished paying back America for it's 'efforts' in World War 2 in December 2006.
Care to post any links for your comments about the Falklands as we went in on our own? Again America only profited from the supply of missiles and fuel they supplied.
Totally false about British steel and Trump my friend..
Quote:UK steel industry bosses have warned that US customers are already moving to cancel orders after President Trump imposed 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminium imports.
The business and trade committee of MPs was told that the tariffs would damage sales and profits for an industry that is already uncompetitive internationally, mainly due to high energy costs.
Tata Steel UK's chief executive Rajesh Nair said $100m (£77m) of sales to the US were in peril.
I already pointed out that the F35 also has British tech in it from it's inception in a previous post. Both our medicine, and science breakthroughs have always been shared, you only have to look at the Jet engine, the Atomic bomb, and DNA research for conformation of that.
As this is off topic I wont go on ripping apart the rest of your defence, but suffice to say nearly all of it is incorrect.
ETA...
I agree that we (America and Great Britain) should be the closest of allies, but that doesn't mean we should blindly follow on Trumps orders.
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(03-11-2026, 11:29 AM)Orby Wrote: Yes true. But the Yanks are so militarily powerful economically too, they don't really need us. Just tokenism having yours pals around for the worlds media. Starmer wasn't playing ball. But we need the Yanks. Without their military tech, plus their export market for our wares we'd really be in a mess. Maggie bless her soul understood this and would have been leading from the front.
We need each other, Orby.
We have a special relationship with America because we helped build their nation.
They are us, and we are them.
They speak our language and have the same names because we are their ancestors.
As to "Maggie" she's burning in hell next to her best pal Jimmy Savile.
The two of them are waiting on Andrew and Charles by all accounts.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(03-11-2026, 11:26 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: I checked google ai. it says - About 23% of U.S. adults identify as Evangelical Protestants as of 2023-2024. I lived in Alabama for 9 years. A lot of them there. Those folks were a pain in the butt. But that does mean that more than 3/4 of Americans are NOT fundamentalist Christian and for them this war isn't about religion. And since the POTUS and VPOTUS and Secretary of State aren't fundamentalist, nor most of the cabinet, I'm thinking this isn't about religion for America. (Even though the fundis are probably rubbing their hands together in glee over the thought of the big war and second coming.)
That 50% also included all the other protestant groups in America.
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(03-11-2026, 11:28 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Yeah. 150 injured. But most have already returned to duty.
Most were only minorly injured. That number is pretty low
considering all the bombs that Iran is tossing around.
Got any links as I couldn't find any other than Whitehouse 'propaganda'
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(03-11-2026, 11:37 AM)Kurokage Wrote: That 50% also included all the other protestant groups in America. Protestants aren't all evangelical. The Epsicopalians, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc etc are all level headed and not fundamentalists. It's the Baptists and Church of Christ types that are. 23% of the country is evangelical/fundamentalist. You can't toss the poor episcopalians and Methodists and Lutherans and Presbyterians etc in with the Fundis. That would be mean and not fair.
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(03-11-2026, 11:38 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Got any links as I couldn't find any other than Whitehouse 'propaganda'

I read that yesterday.
Didn't save the link.
It said that most have returned to duty.
150 injured. Something like 132 returned to duty.
(that's from memory ... )
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(03-11-2026, 11:39 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Protestants aren't all evangelical. The Epsicopalians, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc etc are all level headed and not fundamentalists. It's the Baptists and Church of Christ types that are. 23% of the country is evangelical/fundamentalist. You can't toss the poor episcopalians and Methodists and Lutherans and Presbyterians etc in with the Fundis. That would be mean and not fair. 
That's why I said....
Quote:I'm thinking more of the 50% of evangelicals and other Protestantism's
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