Trump doubles down on suggesting federal government 'get involved' in state elections

[Truthhurts]

He's saying that the Republicans in DC should vote for nationalizing the elections.
He's not saying that the Republican party should run them.
That makes no sense.
When nationalizing something like elections, it would be the federal government, which is
both Democrat and Republican.

Trump "We (republicans) should take over the voting in at least ‒ many, 15 places"

[FlyersFan]

Trump "We (republicans) should take over the voting in at least ‒ many, 15 places"

I took that 'we' as federal.
And federal is both Democrat and Republican.
'Nationalize' is both Democrat and Republican.

[Truthhurts]

I took that 'we' as federal.
And federal is both Democrat and Republican.
'Nationalize' is both Democrat and Republican.

"Republicans should say, 'WE want to take over. WE should take over the voting in at least ‒ many, 15 places" not the federal but the republicans.

No matter how you spin it, he made it very clear who should take over elections and what states he wants control of, "Democratic run states"

[Britseye]

Trump "We (republicans) should take over the voting in at least ‒ many, 15 places"

Hang on a minute, weren't you supposed to be done for the day 2 hours ago

Anyhow, i guess regarding the 2020 election you've never come across the phrase 'condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance!' 

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Mind you, observant people don't need to investigate the stolen election. They watched the numbers flip with their own eyes in the early hours. 

Maybe you can get a discount for a cap and a pair of spectacles at the same time? 

And before you come back with" but, but, but.... " I've got a link ready for you about the appeal to authority logical fallacy, too. It's loaded and I'm not afraid to use it

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I think he's worried about mid-terms.

Future headlines like:

"Ammar Campa-Najjar takes Darrell Issa's seat in CA 48"

He needs to be there to make sure EVERY in-person same-day vote is counted and that is the standard they use, obviously...

It would just be nice if the party all about the constitution stops taking every opportunity to piss on it. 

What Trump suggests is only assumed to be founded on constitutional principle... even when it really isn't.  Or you're sure he's never even read the thing.

Key constitutional violations include:

• State Authority:  Article I, Section 4 empowers state legislatures to determine the "times, places and manner" of congressional elections.

• Executive Limits: The President has no constitutional authority to manage or "take over" election.

• Congressional Power: While Congress can "make or alter" certain state regulations for federal elections, it cannot revoke the states' fundamental power to manage their own local and state-level contests.

• Reserved Powers: Under the 10th Amendment, powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved for the states. Nationalizing purely state or local elections (such as for Governor or City Council) would directly conflict with this principle. 

Current legal and political consensus, including remarks from Republican Senator Rand Paul and various election law experts, holds that a federal takeover would be "flatly unconstitutional". 

But how else can you have the oversight to make sure they always elect your party, because 2020-something?

[UltraBudgie]

What Trump suggests is only assumed to be founded on constitutional principle... even when it really isn't.

what we have now is (number of states) times (number of districts) different ways to screw up and make the system unaccountable. there is very low trust in elections! and the counting of them is not the least but it is important.

perhaps a unified authority would be better, with the danger of a single point of failure/subversion. that is a valid objection.

but have you actually watched interviews with local election officials?

they're not the shapest tools in the shed. i don't trust them to establish practices that maintain ballot integrity. and i don't trust them not to fall prey to scams. or be subverted themselves.

a national system would provide a single point of scrutiny

and i don't think anyone serious is suggesting this would not require individual state opt-in. you are correct that there simply isn't consitutioal authority for that, no matter how nice it might be. but if states choose not to opt-in, one must ask why? if they have some reason not to trust a national system, please enlighten the rest of us. or would it be to protect their own ability to avoid scrutany?

as for the authority to establish standards and provide implementation choices, i'll just point of examples where similar things have been done: financial regulation, labour standards, healthcare, civil rights, consumer protection, transportation, environmental practices... etc etc. not that i would expect you to agree with all of those.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Mind you, observant people don't need to investigate the stolen election. They watched the numbers flip with their own eyes in the early hours. 

Oh I totally saw that too. Just differently..

Did you happen to hear that thing they kept REPEATING OVER AND OVER AGAIN that said, "mail-in votes were still being counted and it was mostly reflecting numbers at the polls."

That was still being said at 12 AM PST.

Is so hard to process that 2020 mail-in votes largely favored democrats across the board? Everywhere?

Let's (fail to) put this to rest with a poll...

In 2020 I voted for:

[ ] Trump
[ ] Biden
[ ] Other

By:

[ ] In-person voting
[ ] mail

Be honest.

If DI is a microcosm of what happened, 2 out of 3 republican voters here will have checked "Trump" and "in-person," and democrats will check "Biden" and "mail" by a similar margin.

Not a conspiracy, just inability to realize Democrats were that much more inclined to listen to scientific CDC guidlines and forgo the sacred tradition of in-person voting, while republican voters were more likely to think it was "health-nazi control bullshit" and make it a point to get to the polls in spite of everything.

And if you want to take a really logical answer and still act like there is no possible cause for it, you really live in a world of false dilemma and fallacy.

[putnam6]

FWIW Georgia politics has been skeevy(both sides) long before they were a national battlehground, decades if not a century or more.

BREAKING: Unsealed Grand Jury Testimony Reveals GOVERNOR KEMP TOLD GEORGIA BUREAU OF CHIEF NOT TO INVESTIGATE 2020 ELECTION FRAUD!
GBI Chief Said, He's A "Team Player" & Dropped The Case. Governor Then Appointed Him As A Judge!
@BadlandsMedia_

https://badlands.substack.com/p/grand-ju...om-senator

[sahgwa]

Oh I totally saw that too. Just differently..

Did you happen to hear that thing they kept REPEATING OVER AND OVER AGAIN that said, "mail-in votes were still being counted and it was mostly reflecting numbers at the polls."

That was still being said at 12 AM PST.

Is so hard to process that 2020 mail-in votes largely favored democrats across the board? Everywhere?

Let's (fail to) put this to rest with a poll...

In 2020 I voted for:

[ ] Trump
[ ] Biden
[ ] Other

By:

[ ] In-person voting
[ ] mail

Be honest.

If DI is a microcosm of what happened, 2 out of 3 republican voters here will have checked "Trump" and "in-person," and democrats will check "Biden" and "mail" by a similar margin.

Not a conspiracy, just inability to realize Democrats were that much more inclined to listen to scientific CDC guidlines and forgo the sacred tradition of in-person voting, while republican voters were more likely to think it was "health-nazi control bullshit" and make it a point to get to the polls in spite of everything.

And if you want to take a really logical answer and still act like there is no possible cause for it, you really live in a world of false dilemma and fallacy.

What about drop box voting? Its not mail or in person :D

[DBCowboy]

So you think the republicans, should take over democratic run elections?

I don't think democrats or republicans should be in charge of elections.

I DO think that elections should be for American citizens, with proper ID.

I DO think that mail-in ballots create an environment where cheating can occur.

Voting is a right.  A Right prescribed to legal American citizens.

If voting isn;t a right, then you are basically arguing that illegals can own firearms.