Trump 'authorizing Full Force, if necessary' as military deploys to another US city

[Vermilion]

Looks at live stream of Portland ICE Protest

So with 400 more coming, I guess he's up to like 700 or 800 now. That appears to be a ratio of around 7 National Guard members for every protestor.

So one to take away the sign, one to shoot tear gas, one with a taser, and the others to supervise the ones taking away the sign, shooting the tear gas, and tasing?

But wait, the judge he appointed ruled again AFTER Oregon and California got a restraining order. 

https://abc7.com/post/federal-judge-temp.../17947486/

Guess he cant use any Guard now..

But since when does trump acknowledge the judicial branch? 

Now I bet he's gonna try active duty military troops, and if that gets blocked, I guess he can still declare martial law? 

Or just deploy the Guard anyway against the court order.

You kept saying Trump is an authoritarian, without proof.

Activist federal and district judges keep making unlawful decisions which have all been slapped down by higher courts and even SCOTUS.
Trump is now 22-0 in Supreme Court cases.

Trump has not once ignored, despite pressure from everyone, those activist judges by moving forward despite them.
He has recognized the judicial branch in every single occurrence of their overreach and let the judicial branch fix themselves.

Trump also hasn’t ever declared marshal law.

You activists claiming Trump is an authoritarian is just wishful thinking at this point.
You want him be one but it doesn’t make it so.
I wish you’d stick to the facts instead of letting your irrational feelings take the wheel.

[UltraBudgie]

I think it is because he characterizes dissent as unpatriotic and a threat to the nation.

Rejection of political plurality is a major characteristic of authoritarianism.

Do you not see that?

[Vermilion]

I think it is because he characterizes dissent as unpatriotic and a threat to the nation.

Rejection of political plurality is a major characteristic of authoritarianism.

Do you not see that?

It’s impossible not to see the contrast of both parties administrations when they have the power.

The last democrat POTUS ignored the judicial branch and congress regularly.
-Mandating experimental gene therapies by threatening economic ruin and imprisonment.
-Using taxpayers money, defying the other two branches, to give favorable loans and outright loan forgiveness for the specific goal of buying votes.
-Inventing a government censorship program to disappear conservative speech.
-Debanking conservatives and pro 2A businesses and individuals.
-Using lawfare to bankrupt, imprison, deplatform and keep political rivals off of election ballots.
-Raiding and swatting their political and religious rivals.

Are you blind or oblivious?

[CriticalStinker]

You kept saying Trump is an authoritarian, without proof.

Activist federal and district judges keep making unlawful decisions which have all been slapped down by higher courts and even SCOTUS.
Trump is now 22-0 in Supreme Court cases.

Trump has not once ignored, despite pressure from everyone, those activist judges by moving forward despite them.
He has recognized the judicial branch in every single occurrence of their overreach and let the judicial branch fix themselves.

Trump also hasn’t ever declared marshal law.

You activists claiming Trump is an authoritarian is just wishful thinking at this point.
You want him be one but it doesn’t make it so.
I wish you’d stick to the facts instead of letting your irrational feelings take the wheel.

There are degrees of authoritarian. It’s a spectrum, and on the political compass, I’d say most presidents have been on the authoritarian side of the compass.

The word itself has a stigma to it, because it gets used with dictators. But not all authoritarians are dictators.

It shouldn’t be a surprise to people that mode who seek the role of highest leader of a country would lean authoritarian. You have to be a type of individual who wants to have that power, no matter if the intent is altruistic.

There are two issues of constitutionality coming up in this term of the Supreme Court.

1. Levying blanket tariffs when the constitution gives that power to congress. Trump cited the IEEPA as his power for the action, but it’s intended for emergencies, and also doesn’t have the word tariff anywhere in it.

2. Making an executive order to end birthright citizenship. Whether or not birthright citizenship is abused (it is), the president shouldn’t have the power to erase a constitutional amendment with an executive order. The document is worthless if that’s the case. There are mechanisms to change the constitution, let’s use those. I wouldn’t be opposed to making it so people don’t fly here to give their child dual citizenship or other circumstances that are abused.

I also imagine we’ll see his recent executive order to make burning the American Flag illegal. I’ll never burn a flag, I think it would do more harm to any message than it would good, but again, it’s not the presidents place to interpret much less dictate what is constitutional speech/expression.

There is no doubt that he is testing how far he can expand executive powers. His admin and the right were excited for this time around by having all branches of government because they theorized it would make him more nimble, and it has.

Personally, I don’t think it’s up for debate if he’s been authoritarian (on a spectrum). Many of these questions issues going through the court are very clear in the Constitution. The debate is how far along the spectrum he’s at. That’s why I always try my best to refrain from hyperbole. He’s not Hitler, we don’t live in a fascist state, and every president in my lifetime has tried to stretch their executive powers too.

[putnam6]

You kept saying Trump is an authoritarian, without proof.

Activist federal and district judges keep making unlawful decisions which have all been slapped down by higher courts and even SCOTUS.
Trump is now 22-0 in Supreme Court cases.

Trump has not once ignored, despite pressure from everyone, those activist judges by moving forward despite them.
He has recognized the judicial branch in every single occurrence of their overreach and let the judicial branch fix themselves.

Trump also hasn’t ever declared marshal law.

You activists claiming Trump is an authoritarian is just wishful thinking at this point.
You want him be one but it doesn’t make it so.
I wish you’d stick to the facts instead of letting your irrational feelings take the wheel.

Ive have no problem with the system of the judiciary TEMPORARILY imposing injunctions.

Let's see what SCOTUS says... it's not like if Trump is overstepping, it won't be obvious and pointed out ad nauseam. Right now, the angered and oppressed Portlanders can protest in any manner, including naked bike rides? WTF, but leave the Federal buildings and federal employees alone, it's that simple

Move one or two blocks over and protest till your asses stick to your bike seats, if not, a sitting President has a responsibility to protect those Federal employees and not let thier lawfully ordered actions be impeded. 

Once an undocumented immigrant accepts federal assistance and/or becomes employed in America, enrolled in American schools, etc, they become subject to all of our laws, federal or local. Like every other Tom, Dick, and Harry





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[UltraBudgie]

It’s impossible not to see the contrast of both parties administrations when they have the power.

The last democrat POTUS ignored the judicial branch and congress regularly.
-Mandating experimental gene therapies by threatening economic ruin and imprisonment.
-Using taxpayers money, defying the other two branches, to give favorable loans and outright loan forgiveness for the specific goal of buying votes.
-Inventing a government censorship program to disappear conservative speech.
-Debanking conservatives and pro 2A businesses and individuals.
-Using lawfare to bankrupt, imprison, deplatform and keep political rivals off of election ballots.
-Raiding and swatting their political and religious rivals.

Lol, yeah, the Democrats were weaselly little liars about their authoritarianism, pretending to be all virtuous and for the public interest while actually being a bunch of gaslighting bullies. Trump's being a bit more direct about about it, not disguising his actions, but he still won't fess up to the label like an honest man would. Makes him seem like the same kind of dodgy dishonest political liar, you know? I mean, he's a petty vulgar authoritarian, but he is still an authoritarian and a strong leader, so there's that. I just think we can do better. Not sure if Trump can.

Are you blind or oblivious?

Well that's a dumb question, because if I answer "no", then I'm either telling the truth or oblivious to the reality, whereas if I answer "yes", then I'm either lying, or the answer contradicts my obliviousness. What do you learn either way? Duh. Use some logic, man. Are you trying to score some lame rhetorical point or are you just stupid?

[Kurokage]

You kept saying Trump is an authoritarian, without proof.

Activist federal and district judges keep making unlawful decisions which have all been slapped down by higher courts and even SCOTUS.
Trump is now 22-0 in Supreme Court cases.

That's not quite right, though allowing many of Trump's controversial polices to move forward temporarily, the Supreme Court hadn't decide their fate, and delayed many.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...418793007/

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump’s winning streak at the Supreme Court is about to get tested.
Until now, the court has weighed in primarily on whether Trump’s controversial policies can move forward while they’re being litigated.
Now that some of the challenges have gone through the lower courts, the justices will start deciding the ultimate fate of Trump’s policies in the new term that begins Oct. 6.
Slightly more than half the country thinks the Supreme Court is going out of its way to avoid making a ruling against Trump that he might refuse to obey, according to a Marquette Law School Poll released Oct. 2.
 
But the main focus will be on Trump's continued testing of the limits on his authority, starting with a signature initiative – the sweeping tariffs that are the centerpiece of Trump’s economic policy and a major foreign policy cudgel. That case will be heard by the court in early November.
In December, the court will consider whether Trump can remove the heads of independent agencies for any reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/us/po...power.html

Supreme Court Returns to Face Trump Tests of Presidential PowerAs the justices return to the bench Monday, the court will confront a series of cases central to the president’s agenda.

[putnam6]

Lol, yeah, the Democrats were weaselly little liars about their authoritarianism, pretending to be all virtuous and for the public interest while actually being a bunch of gaslighting bullies. Trump's being a bit more direct about about it, not disguising his actions, but he still won't fess up to the label like an honest man would. Makes him seem like the same kind of dodgy dishonest political liar, you know? I mean, he's a petty vulgar authoritarian, but he is still an authoritarian and a strong leader, so there's that. I just think we can do better. Not sure if Trump can.

This is where I Im coming from. I trust no one, no side, no party, no PAC, no social justice initiative, no President, no Congress, etc. 

Nixon, Ford, and Carter made us all skeptical and public distrust has fluctuated wildly and having the majority "trusting " our leaders is a thing of the past.  

Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Barack, Trump, Biden, Trump

thats 60 years of seriously flawed Presidents with wildly divergent polices, personalities, and performance.

It feels like nationally we go off on one tangent or direction and then reverse course 4-8-12 years later, in another direction. 

On the surface, things like the Qatar defense pact make me go WTF?

(Hopefully, but doubtfully tied to real and lasting peace in the Middle East)

Every President has their WTF moments







, but in constantly divided times, with Trump being so prolific... It's magnified

[Sirius]

Switching sides, because why not

How oId are you, Amsterdam?

I'm not too sure. Never did figure it.

I'm 47.

Forty-seven years oId.

You know how I stayed aIive this Iong? AII these years?

Fear.

The spectacIe of fearsome acts.

[putnam6]

Switching sides, because why not

How oId are you, Amsterdam?

I'm not too sure. Never did figure it.

I'm 47.

Forty-seven years oId.

You know how I stayed aIive this Iong? AII these years?

Fear.

The spectacIe of fearsome acts.


[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8U3slXNy10]

It's not ironic at all. This comes from Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall...
 

In the 1860s, during the time period depicted in Gangs of New York, New York City’s political landscape was dominated by the Democratic Party, specifically through the influence of Tammany Hall. Tammany Hall was the Democratic Party’s political machine in New York City, led by figures like William "Boss" Tweed during the mid-19th century. It controlled local politics through patronage, voter mobilization (often involving immigrants, particularly the Irish), and widespread corruption, including vote-buying and kickbacks.

Fear...in itself can be a fickle and dysfunctional motivator 

One man's fear is just a legitimate concern... while another man may experience paranoid delusions from the same fear.

Both sides have always used the "fear factor," but which historical quotes below lean towards todays conservative and which quotes lean towards todays liberal....

 

"We have learned the simple truth...
We can gain no lasting peace if we approach it with suspicion or mistrust or with fear."

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
 
Franklin D. Roosevelt




"A baby is born into this world in a state of fear. Total paranoia and awareness. He sees the world with eyes not used yet. As he grows up, his parents lay all this stuff on him. They tell him, when they should be letting him tell them. Let the children lead you."

"So, how do we communicate with a whole group of people? You stand up and take the worst fear symbol [swastika] and say, "There, now I've got your fear. Now I've got your fear." And your fear is your power, and your power is your control. I'm your king of this whole planet. I'm gonna rule this whole world."

Charles Manson