Trump 'authorizing Full Force, if necessary' as military deploys to another US city

[ANNEE]

I agree with many of those points.

ICE has a job to do, whether people like it or not, this is one of the major issues voted on. There is no question there is an illegal immigrant problem in the US, and it hurts both our country, and many of the immigrants who end up being exploited.

For people who violently interfere with that, I agree that's illegal and they should be arrested.

The issues I start to have is when people lose sight of how rights are supposed to be weighed. Individual>State>Federal. This is why the political compass is not just left and right. It is also authoritarian and libertarian.

Sadly, many who used to champion individual and state rights over federal, and trying to lessen the power of the federal government are happy to wield it now that they're in power. And while it may not be as alarming as many claim it is now with hyperbole, this is all a foundation.

The military is mainly just present. In most cases, they can't intervein due to posse comitatus. But, people are becoming desensitized to their mere presence, and it's becoming normal. I can appreciate the notion that in some places, crime is a large problem. There are cities I wouldn't go to. But I don't think federal military is the right tool for the mission. For one, our police is already a problem in some places. I think a lot of that is lack of training, and being underpaid. They don't know the laws they're supposed to enforce. Soldiers know far less than that, at best they get a couple weeks training.

The problem is, if these kinds of reactions become normalized, eventually someone will abuse them. That's just history of power, and people in power. The whole point of a lot of our constitution is to prevent that from even being a possibility, which is one of the reasons we have the 2nd amendment.

Thank you. 

I’ve been trying to figure out where I stand. 

You just nailed it. 

We’re definitely in a slippery slope — Constitution wise. 

What happened in Chicago seems to have crossed the bridge of that slippery slope.  Although there’s always “appears to” vs more knowledge.

[DBCowboy]

Thank you. 

I’ve been trying to figure out where I stand. 

You just nailed it. 

We’re definitely in a slippery slope.

No.

We're just trying to enforce existing laws.

[RichardHurt]

No.

We're just trying to enforce existing laws.

You support a 34 count felon, so how are we supposed to take your statement?
Seems contradictive yes.

[CriticalStinker]

No.

We're just trying to enforce existing laws.

As they should be.

But sometimes the law is broken in the process.

Posse comitatus, Trump trying to make a law about flag burning with a tweet when it’s constitutionally protected, and laying the groundwork for labeling people terrorists for protected speech.

And while I’m not losing sleep for the people who are being targeted now, because many of them are breaking the law, this president will be abused. History has shown the federal government gets an inch and takes a mile.

One day it won’t be Trump there, and this attention will focus again on other groups. Just like the Patriot act was used on citizens who had nothing to do with foreign terrorists.

[DBCowboy]

You support a 34 count felon, so how are we supposed to take your statement?
Seems contradictive yes.

That makes no sense.

[DBCowboy]

As they should be.

But sometimes the law is broken in the process.

Posse comitatus, Trump trying to make a law about flag burning with a tweet when it’s constitutionally protected, and laying the groundwork for labeling people terrorists for protected speech.

And while I’m not losing sleep for the people who are being targeted now, because many of them are breaking the law, this president will be abused. History has shown the federal government gets an inch and takes a mile.

One day it won’t be Trump there, and this attention will focus again on other groups. Just like the Patriot act was used on citizens who had nothing to do with foreign terrorists.

We're in this mess NOW because democrats didn't enforce the laws.

[putnam6]

As they should be.

But sometimes the law is broken in the process.

Posse comitatus, Trump trying to make a law about flag burning with a tweet when it’s constitutionally protected, and laying the groundwork for labeling people terrorists for protected speech.

And while I’m not losing sleep for the people who are being targeted now, because many of them are breaking the law, this president will be abused. History has shown the federal government gets an inch and takes a mile.

One day it won’t be Trump there, and this attention will focus again on other groups. Just like the Patriot act was used on citizens who had nothing to do with foreign terrorists.

Not saying the Patriot Act hasn't been used nefariously, CS, but qualify/ quantify its use otherwise it's just a contrived blustery statement.

People have been charged wrongly and have won court cases and the Patriot Act has been amended a few times since it's inception. It's a juggling act for sure, we have no clue how or if it's curbing or catching real  terrorists



just run this your favorite AI /internet search

Cite the times the Patriot Act has been miss used on American citizens

NSLs and Section 215 lowered evidentiary thresholds, enabling broad surveillance that ensnared innocent citizens. Oversight reports (e.g., from the DOJ Inspector General) confirm at least dozens of intentional abuses, though secrecy limits full documentation. Reforms in 2005 and 2015 added some safeguards, but many powers persist under laws like the USA FREEDOM Act. 

[CriticalStinker]

We're in this mess NOW because democrats didn't enforce the laws.

I think for the most part, a lot of the illegal alien problem is due to the Democrats, and their open border type policies.

That said, plenty of red states look the other way when it comes to agricultural, construction, and other labor related industries. Notice employers were never really targeted.

But there is no denying the recent explosion in numbers. Let's say it was the left, that doesn't erase agency from Trump and the admin now. The left letting in illegals doesn't suddenly mean we have to tweet laws that go against the constitution. It doesn't suddenly give the president power for blanket tariffs when that is the role of Congress.

You see, the most dangerous thing about all of this is the "mandate" theory. Where everything is happening because of one election. All of those tricky hurdles to make new laws or get rid of old ones... That's a feature, not a bug. The country can't be consistent if a swing of the pendulum always means constitutional changes. 

I get it, some people are really pumped because their guy is the one wielding the power. And it has been abused by every admin in recent history, so this isn't necessarily unique. But you can't say that you're pro constitution, anti deep state, and anti federal government when a lot of recent actions are the antithesis of that. 

What we see is in some cases anti constitutional, and very strong federal power. You can say you agree it's for the good or needed, but that doesn't change the fact that the next guy can do it too.

[DBCowboy]

I think for the most part, a lot of the illegal alien problem is due to the Democrats, and their open border type policies.

That said, plenty of red states look the other way when it comes to agricultural, construction, and other labor related industries. Notice employers were never really targeted.

But there is no denying the recent explosion in numbers. Let's say it was the left, that doesn't erase agency from Trump and the admin now. The left letting in illegals doesn't suddenly mean we have to tweet laws that go against the constitution. It doesn't suddenly give the president power for blanket tariffs when that is the role of Congress.

You see, the most dangerous thing about all of this is the "mandate" theory. Where everything is happening because of one election. All of those tricky hurdles to make new laws or get rid of old ones... That's a feature, not a bug. The country can't be consistent if a swing of the pendulum always means constitutional changes. 

I get it, some people are really pumped because their guy is the one wielding the power. And it has been abused by every admin in recent history, so this isn't necessarily unique. But you can't say that you're pro constitution, anti deep state, and anti federal government when a lot of recent actions are the antithesis of that. 

What we see is in some cases anti constitutional, and very strong federal power. You can say you agree it's for the good or needed, but that doesn't change the fact that the next guy can do it too.

I think republicans are to blame for the illegal alien problem as well.

That being said; enforcing existing laws is not fascism.

[RazorV66]

You support a 34 count felon, so how are we supposed to take your statement?
Seems contradictive yes.

All 34 counts were manufactured by the Dems to keep him from running for president. 

How did that work out for ya?

It's a shame you guys couldn't have run the election cheating Covid scam twice.