Trump Floats Again U.S. Should “Take” Gaza and Turn It Into a “Freedom Zone”

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At least he's saying it in a roundtable discussion WITH Qatar, instead of trolling it in a tweet. 

Freedom Zone needs to equate to a global gentrification and investment zone. 

The biggest challenge is relocation.  And it cant be the West Bank version where they get moved 3 miles so Israel can create another "military compound". Which is International legal law loophole they "settle" with.  You can't do that in Gaza though. Jordan would likely pitch a fit if they were moved to the river from the sea. They don't want the Hamas ones closer either. 

Israel did control The Sinai, until Carter (The Worst president before Biden) opened a still intact relationship of normalized relations. 

There is no answer without rich oil Arabs backing this move.  He not only needs to say it in front of Qatar and press, they need to nod their head in agreement. Saudi Arabia needs to think their path to Al Aqsa guardianship is only achieved after Hamas is removed. They need TO BLAME Hamas/Iran for ruining collaboration, and they need to translate that anger into the Gazan the same way Iran did for decades. 

AND IT HAS TO BE INSANELY GLOBALIST. 

The rubble needs to be an opportunity for investment and money to be made BY EVERYONE. The Internarnational Freedom (Commerce) Zone needs a board of directors, like permanent members, like The UN security council. 

And it needs to be equal parts: Washington, Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo, Riyadh, Doha, and Abu Dhabi.

"The Coalition of Fuck Jihadists, Build Yachts Marinas."

If you do it right, you won't need to worry about displaced, because Gulf State investment will give them better paying jobs to rebuild, and they won't join martyr brigades out of destitute anger.

Hate to be commie sounding, but West Bank's per capita GDP is why it hates Israel less than Gaza does.  The more equal the quality of living is to the alleged oppressor, the less they revolt, and the less organization they have in revolt.

So if you spinkle some pixie dust for pipe dreams, and play it forward to after the rubble is cleared, maybe the former Gazan won't need to be moved, because they'll be building the new Abraj al-Bayt-By-The-Sea?  And because they are being paid well to construct some ostentatious Saudi crap, they lose the bit where Israel is oppressing their opportunity in life.

Globalist capital investment into a collaborative experimental zone could save The Middle East and move the Dubai model west. Which only benefits Israel. Both in relations and economically.

Hard to tell if Hamas is mortally wounded or just sleeping, OMB could be whispering sweet nothings to get the hostages back, OR could be worried about how far he thinks Israel will go. The main thing is that Gaza's normal regional lifelines have been severed. 

My guess it depends on the ratio of Hamas militants vs the number of innocent Gazans tired of living in rubble for the cause.   

It could take dump trucks full of pixie dust, and an Arab coalition backing, and there are so many wildcards scattered around the region

What's the number on Gaza rebuilds so far? This has got to be the largest one attempted 

I can't imagine it happening without it going sideways more than a few times. Besides, how do the rest of the less fortunate Arab countries feel about Gaza getting rebuilt to a better standard than some have? 

Im a skeptical AF Ice T on this Trumpian idea for sho...but Ive been wrong before. Feels like he is attempting to put the hornet's nest back up after it's been knocked down and is still full of pissed off wasps, somebody is gonna get stung.

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Hmm yes and the Amish are Christian. They have their Christian values, other sects have their own. The point is Palestinians want their own non-secular society on their own land, and that is incompatible with what Israel wants. Thus they will either be evicted, die, or submit to the forces of multiculturalism-but-not-really. We could argue about whether that is a good thing or not, but I won't, because it's bleeding obvious that what's going on is a form of ethnic cleansing. But since this is a world where that appears to be subordinate to other concerns, let's talk instead about the future, without pretending about myths of Western secular values and tolerance when they get in the way of expansionist economic imperialism.

I don't think "Palestine" as an identity matters much. It's interchangeable with cedar trees. 

The culture they want instilled in that non-secular country is what's being cleansed. Not their heritage or religion, but their hateful ideology. Like we do by canceling people who say racisms (still).  

The vision for the Palestine they want is untenable for the world. Their vision removes Israel. The don't just want a land of their own, they want Israel off it.  Israel has Muslims in parliament. A Palestine under Hamas doesn't let a single Jew near their parliament. 

Their bias and reluctance to even consider coexistence makes it an untenable goal. They can't have a Palestine under its current ideology, and their core principle, "death to israel."  A principle instilled by years of one-sided victim cards on why they are really poor. 

When Iran pushed Hamas to derail The Saudi-Israel talks it was like the last straw for the culture Tehren and the Islamic Revolution tries to put forth through these proxy freedom fighters. 

I don't see ethnic cleansing, but I do see forced assimilation or GTFO mentality. They are ideologically cleansing Gaza of militant opposition to Israel. They are performing genocide against the Muslim mindset that can't normalize relations with Israel and would fight to oppose it. Not like forced regime changes haven't been tried before. 

Given Trumps recent pandering I have to suspect THE UTMOST importance will be given to displaced refugees while they purge every last Hamas fighter.

I think the world may be sick enough of militant Islam and Iran for this to get pulled off.

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Maybe I'm wrong but didn't all Israelites come from Jordan? Didn't Abraham cross the Jordan river towards the east meaning they were in the west which is Jordan?

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FWIW



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint...-west-bank

We strongly oppose the expansion of Israel’s military operations in Gaza. The level of human suffering in Gaza is intolerable. Yesterday’s announcement that Israel will allow a basic quantity of food into Gaza is wholly inadequate. We call on the Israeli Government to stop its military operations in Gaza and immediately allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. This must include engaging with the UN to ensure a return to delivery of aid in line with humanitarian principles. We call on Hamas to release immediately the remaining hostages they have so cruelly held since 7 October 2023.
The Israeli Government’s denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching International Humanitarian Law. We condemn the abhorrent language used recently by members of the Israeli Government, threatening that, in their despair at the destruction of Gaza, civilians will start to relocate. Permanent forced displacement is a breach of international humanitarian law. 
Israel suffered a heinous attack on October 7. We have always supported Israel’s right to defend Israelis against terrorism. But this escalation is wholly disproportionate.
We will not stand by while the Netanyahu Government pursues these egregious actions. If Israel does not cease the renewed military offensive and lift its restrictions on humanitarian aid, we will take further concrete actions in response.
We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank. Israel must halt settlements which are illegal and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state and the security of both Israelis and Palestinians.  We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions. 

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FWIW

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint...-west-bank

Oh that must mean Israel is poised to seize complete control of Gaza and has everything they need to do so, because the UK is lip-flapping like they have principles, and France and Canada are along for the ride.

UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
UK military support to Israel ‘could be breach of international law’

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Oh that must mean Israel is poised to seize complete control of Gaza and has everything they need to do so, because the UK is lip-flapping like they have principles, and France and Canada are along for the ride.

UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
UK military support to Israel ‘could be breach of international law’

Basically, window dressing or lip service?


The UK and European forecast is cloudy with frequent storms of Palestinian protests. 

The tale of 2 countries....

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Article from Jeremy Scahill:

Netanyahu: Gaza Aid Scheme Offers Israel Symbolic Cover to Finish the Genocide

“We’re going to take control of all the Gaza Strip,” Netanyahu vowed Monday in a video released by his office announcing that Israel would begin delivering “minimal humanitarian aid: food and medicine only.” Netanyahu claimed that international pressure, including from pro-Israel Republican senators and the White House, required the appearance of humanitarian intervention. “Our best friends in the world — senators I know as strong supporters of Israel — have warned that they cannot support us if images of mass starvation emerge,” he said. “They come to me and say, ‘We’ll give you all the help you need to win the war… but we can’t be receiving pictures of famine,’” Netanyahu added. To continue the war of annihilation, he asserted, “We need to do it in a way that they won’t stop us.”

Some other choice quotes from the article, quoting Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich:

• Smotrich said the aid scheme would allow “our friends in the world to continue to provide us with an international umbrella of protection against the Security Council and the Hague Tribunal, and for us to continue to fight, God willing, until victory.”
  
  
• “The [aid] that will enter Gaza in the coming days is the tiniest amount. A handful of bakeries that will hand out pita bread to people in public kitchens. People in Gaza will get a pita and a food plate, and that’s it. Exactly what we are seeing in the videos: people standing in line and waiting to have someone serve them, with some soup plate.”
  
  
• “Truth be told, until the last of the hostages returns, we should also not let water into the Gaza Strip. But the reality is that if we do that, the world will force us to halt the war immediately, and to lose. It would be winning the battle, and losing the war. I’m committed to winning the war.”
  
  
• “We are disassembling Gaza, and leaving it as piles of rubble, with total destruction [which has] no precedent globally. And the world isn’t stopping us. There are pressures. There are those who attack [us]; they are trying to [make us] stop; they are not succeeding. You know why they aren’t succeeding? Because we are navigating [the campaign] responsibly and wisely, and that’s how we’ll continue to do [it].”
  
  
• Smotrich said that the Israeli forces are initiating a campaign to force Palestinians into the south of Gaza “and from there, God willing, to third countries, as part of President Trump’s plan. This is a change of the course of history — nothing less.”
  

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Okay, I'll bite.

Let's do the worst ones.

“We are disassembling Gaza, and leaving it as piles of rubble, with total destruction [which has] no precedent globally. And the world isn’t stopping us. There are pressures. There are those who attack [us]; they are trying to [make us] stop; they are not succeeding. You know why they aren’t succeeding? Because we are navigating [the campaign] responsibly and wisely, and that’s how we’ll continue to do [it].”

Smotrich said that the Israeli forces are initiating a campaign to force Palestinians into the south of Gaza “and from there, God willing, to third countries, as part of President Trump’s plan. This is a change of the course of history — nothing less.”

While I'm normally the first one to enjoy a painfully obvious full circle irony, I'm gonna deflect on directly  acknowledging it. 

So... I hope they at least try to buy off the Muslim world by "lovingly" feeding and then compensating the Gazans to leave. That's the closest to humane thing given their ultimate goals.  

Spin it as a type of imminent domain. Like,  "you have no choice, here's the value of your rubble pile. Happy trails."

And they should also probably avoid using trains to transport them if they move them to Syria or the West Bank. Which is where I assume the deals with Arab countries are setting up. I believe Egypt will be more appeased than Jordan by this. Other options could include Lybia and even Yemen. 

But Syria lost a huge portion of their population to the slums of Europe, and Gazans are a natural replacement of those who left.

I know that seems like irony posting, but there has to be a reason Trump's kissing the ass of a former Al Qaida operative turned noble president, with Qatar smiling happily, as everyone gets an appeasement deal.

Like they are being honest behind closed doors and explaining the rationale as not against Muslim or Muslim influence but removing a threat to everyone from existence.

The Freedom Zone has a pitch specifically tailored for an Arab Sheikh always looking to diversify their investments. 

His Highness Sheikh Mahmoud Hamad Al Harrah's Resort and Casino, 

There are no Yachts on the Gazan coastline. There are Yachts in Ashkelon, but no place for 350 foot super Yachts in Gaza. It's a lost coastline of possibility. There is not even a marina or pier capable of mooring said Yachts. There are no buildings over 200 feet high. No LED displays. Worst yet, no man made islands in the shape of all continents of earth! 

We look forward to your upcoming investment into helping transform Gaza into a shining example of what we all can accomplish when we work together to build something better.

Sincerly, Globalism.

 

And since it will still be "The Lollipop Unicorn Free Zone of Palestine" it should...  probably should... possibly could encourage that preferred type of Muslim to build there and make it an enclave of affluent Muslims, instead of Iran.

We must let money and opportunity bring the world together, whether wealthy Christian, Muslim, or Jew!

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Okay, I'll bite.

I wasn't baiting. There's no need for anyone to go off about how this is an unfortunate necessity, a small part in some larger idealistic plan. Why bother? Debate seems to have proven useless.

Many people seem to only hear spin, and are ignorant of what actual Israeli government officials are in fact saying. Hence, sharing this article with verbatim quotes.