Trump and Epstein were great buddies

[RichardHurt]

Associates perhaps but "Great Buddies" is really stretching is. FFS, Trump banned Epstein from his properties and completely disassociated himself form him once he discovered what a creep Epstein was.

Taking the laughable assertion that they were "Great Buddies" and morphing the discussion into the not so thinly veiled accusations that Trump is a pedo, not only as bad but probably worse than Epstein, goes beyond the pale for civil discourse. It takes this this thread into the realm of yet another OMB bashfest and nothing mor

Considering your complete lack of knowledge of the friendship and the falling out, it is of no surprise that you are unaware of what Trump himself said recently. I notice your avatar is super cool. If you truly idolize this creep then I guess I can see your hubris and that would explain much.
Carry on

[Maxmars]

Trump is a rich-kid turned superstar entertainer...  politics is a playground... and he's good at navigating it because the system (the political team sport) changed to his advantage when it started inbreeding with media...

I don't know Trump.

I don't see why he should be avoided as a topic, because I don't believe in... "this show.."  and I can't "change the channel,... but imagine this...

Go back to every "good" post ... and do a search and replace... replace every instance of  "Trump" with "Trump, the man I hate, "..), it really shouldn't work... but it does.

I was hoping to understand from this thread what actual form this 'friendship' took...

I was not 'seeking' Allegations by the internet equivalent of a 'talking head' proposed as gospel truth.

How is it that the enterprises of Epstein and Trump actually intersect?
Their actual social contact is often intimated, but only represented by personal 'glamor' shots at a party... I find that interesting.
Did they have to 'negotiate' their differences... and of what real nature were they....


Instead the insistent activist mantra about 'evil' Trump, rings out like a bell that wont stop thronging.

I get it... some of you loathe the guy... and reject anyone's post who doesn't agree...

I am exasperated! ... stop kvetching about your outrage like were supposed to 'light up' from it...

It's something I noticed in some two or three-man street corner protesters...
like they demand the same fire back in agreement...
and anything less than that approaches a personal insult...
then they respond to disagreement with outright attack.

On-line activism in social media is the most anti-social thing I can imagine...
because it displaces dialogue....

To paraphrase the now immortal Peter Griiffin:
"Activism is tiresome because insists upon itself."

[CriticalStinker]

Associates perhaps but "Great Buddies" is really stretching is. FFS, Trump banned Epstein from his properties and completely disassociated himself form him once he discovered what a creep Epstein was.

Taking the laughable assertion that they were "Great Buddies" and morphing the discussion into the not so thinly veiled accusations that Trump is a pedo, not only as bad but probably worse than Epstein, goes beyond the pale for civil discourse. It takes this this thread into the realm of yet another OMB bashfest and nothing more.

Are you new to the forums? There have been accusations like this against many politicians. Usually the right has driven these theories over the years. Only now are they upset because some people have pulled in their guy.

I haven’t directly implied that Trump was engaged in such activities, rather it looks like the admin wants this case to go to bed for one reason or another. Maybe to protect donors and allies.

It’s just odd that the topic of Epstein not killing himself and other elites being involved were one of the few topics most agreed on at ATS. They wouldn’t have trusted any political person or group to say otherwise, until now.

[Oldcarpy2]

There is plenty of "activism" from both sides, particularly from those who constantly praise/defend Trump, almost fanatically.

I like to  see a bit of balance, as ATS turned into a MAGA echo chamber.

Personal attacks are out of order and just signal a lost position.

Personally, I would like to learn the truth about Epstein and in particular how he was "silenced".  Allegedly.

[cherokeetroy]

It's going to be impossible to have any rational debate on the topic of Trump's connection or possible involvement on this topic because on the opposing side of extreme hatred is extreme adulation

 Trump isn't a politician, he's a celebrity and he is idolized as a celebrity

 After the assassination attempt, he was elevated to God stature
 
The mere suggestion of Trump's culpability is seen as blasphemy 

 I'm sure more than a few dream of enacting death penalties for those who dare to even think it

[CriticalStinker]

Trump is a rich-kid turned superstar entertainer...  politics is a playground... and he's good at navigating it because the system (the political team sport) changed to his advantage when it started inbreeding with media...

I don't know Trump.

I don't see why he should be avoided as a topic, because I don't believe in... "this show.."  and I can't "change the channel,... but imagine this...

Go back to every "good" post ... and do a search and replace... replace every instance of  "Trump" with "Trump, the man I hate, "..), it really shouldn't work... but it does.

I was hoping to understand from this thread what actual form this 'friendship' took...

I was not 'seeking' Allegations by the internet equivalent of a 'talking head' proposed as gospel truth.

How is it that the enterprises of Epstein and Trump actually intersect?
Their actual social contact is often intimated, but only represented by personal 'glamor' shots at a party... I find that interesting.
Did they have to 'negotiate' their differences... and of what real nature were they....


Instead the insistent activist mantra about 'evil' Trump, rings out like a bell that wont stop thronging.

I get it... some of you loathe the guy... and reject anyone's post who doesn't agree...

I am exasperated! ... stop kvetching about your outrage like were supposed to 'light up' from it...

It's something I noticed in some two or three-man street corner protesters...
like they demand the same fire back in agreement...
and anything less than that approaches a personal insult...
then they respond to disagreement with outright attack.

On-line activism in social media is the most anti-social thing I can imagine...
because it displaces dialogue....

To paraphrase the now immortal Peter Griiffin:
"Activism is tiresome because insists upon itself."

As I said, that isn’t unique to Trump. I’ve been on forums for decades, there are threads and participants who have lambasted whoever is in power.

I personally try to refrain from hyperbole, but many don’t. I guess I just find it’s odd that suddenly there is a call for people to not be as critical of this guy because of TDS or other made up terms. As if this is the first time we’re seeing any of this.

I also don’t know the guy, and I don’t typically get hung up on the way he communicates, but rather talk on issues of his policy. This is one of those policies I find odd.

[Kurokage]

Trump is a rich-kid turned superstar entertainer...  politics is a playground... and he's good at navigating it because the system (the political team sport) changed to his advantage when it started inbreeding with media...

I don't know Trump.

I don't see why he should be avoided as a topic, because I don't believe in... "this show.."  and I can't "change the channel,... but imagine this...

Go back to every "good" post ... and do a search and replace... replace every instance of  "Trump" with "Trump, the man I hate, "..), it really shouldn't work... but it does.

I was hoping to understand from this thread what actual form this 'friendship' took...

I was not 'seeking' Allegations by the internet equivalent of a 'talking head' proposed as gospel truth.

How is it that the enterprises of Epstein and Trump actually intersect?
Their actual social contact is often intimated, but only represented by personal 'glamor' shots at a party... I find that interesting.
Did they have to 'negotiate' their differences... and of what real nature were they....


Instead the insistent activist mantra about 'evil' Trump, rings out like a bell that wont stop thronging.

I get it... some of you loathe the guy... and reject anyone's post who doesn't agree...

I am exasperated! ... stop kvetching about your outrage like were supposed to 'light up' from it...

It's something I noticed in some two or three-man street corner protesters...
like they demand the same fire back in agreement...
and anything less than that approaches a personal insult...
then they respond to disagreement with outright attack.

On-line activism in social media is the most anti-social thing I can imagine...
because it displaces dialogue....

To paraphrase the now immortal Peter Griiffin:
"Activism is tiresome because insists upon itself."

I'm sorry, but all I see here is someone defending their belief and situation, trying to shut down a thread.  All sides are prone to defending either side of the fence, and we all see that happening here, we'd all be stupid if we didn't.
But you can't say there's no smoke here, and you know the rest of that saying. Surely you can see that?

Like I said, lots of circumstantial evidence has been posted online and in the media to show both Trump and Epstein were 'good' friends, which is why it's getting so much attention. Epstein himself took the 5th so as not to incriminate himself when asked about them both being in situations with underage girls, but there is also the 'glamour' shots of them, so it's hard to uncover the full facts. The problem is, a good liar is able to cover their real intentions using those kinds of situations. Studies have shown that those seeking power have a lot in common with psychopaths.

I'm not expecting anyone to 'light up' but instead of defending certain politicians because they hate the other side, see the facts of a group of individuals changing the narrative and lying to cover for the boss.

[DBCowboy]

Come on DB, you're better than that.

I was ATS when the MAGA supporters were all jumping up and down about Biden sniffing hair. I never saw anyone defend that (what ever that weird sh*t was) but many people here are defending Trump over his long time Epstein connections and his perving over his own daughter.
I've seen less evidence used to show a court a person isn't of good character and get a conviction.

We remember things differently.

And to your point, if there is evidence, why hasn't the left used their left-leaning judges to move the case forward?

[DBCowboy]

Would you submit the current circumstantial events and testimonies to the appropriate authorities? Or would you pretend that none of this is anything? Remember that the person we are talking about represents you on the global scale like it or not.

Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial.

[Oldcarpy2]

Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial.

Bit more than "circumstantial"?