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(07-11-2025, 04:20 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Rape is not about sexual attraction or desire.

It's about power, control, and domination.

It's an act of violence, used to assert authority, humiliate, and degrade.


I would respectfully advise the crafter of this assertion that a consistent trait in human
existence is that absolute models always fail  Most, strictly human, motives exists in a spectrum...

Power, control, and domination are activist words... the truth is most rape is about nothing.

If there was no introspective thought about the victim, it would only be sick people who rape, sociopaths...
non-sociopaths rape too.

I think it has to be an unthinking impulse, a rage, anger, maybe desperation,
ultimately it's intentional abuse... and whether it's source lies in reasoning, or unreasoning;
it cannot be 'allowed' to occur.

If power and domination and control were the source of rape...
why does it happen among the powerful, controlling, dominators?
(07-11-2025, 01:51 PM)PorkChop96 Wrote: If you are not a mental health professional, how are you able to say that people cannot be addicted to things other than drugs?


If substance abuse is a mental health issue and a disorder.  What’s the difference between substance abuse disorder and a neurosis?  Having to have a drink, a hit, hoard stuff, or needing chocolate in your safe space?
(07-11-2025, 02:23 PM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Anything can be addictive, it's all in how that thing makes you feel and whether or not you can go without that feeling.

did I say something about pot being a "gateway drug", or are you currently on a drug that is making you hallucinate?



Tell me you have never had sex or smoked weed without telling me you have never had sex or smoked weed.
I was not here.
(07-11-2025, 02:40 PM)Maxmars Wrote: I would respectfully advise the crafter of this assertion that a consistent trait in human
existence is that absolute models always fail  Most, strictly human, motives exists in a spectrum...

Power, control, and domination are activist words... the truth is most rape is about nothing.

If there was no introspective thought about the victim, it would only be sick people who rape, sociopaths...
non-sociopaths rape too.

I think it has to be an unthinking impulse, a rage, anger, maybe desperation,
ultimately it's intentional abuse... and whether it's source lies in reasoning, or unreasoning;
it cannot be 'allowed' to occur.

If power and domination and control were the source of rape...
why does it happen among the powerful, controlling, dominators?

If rape were truly about "nothing" why does it so often happen where power and control are clear, like in war, prisons, or by people in authority?

That pattern isn't random.

Power doesn't cause rape by itself, but it gives cover to those who want to dominate or feel entitled.

The core act is still about taking something, like control, safety, dignity.

That's not "nothing."

And is indeed a very sick form of domination.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(07-11-2025, 01:41 PM)PorkChop96 Wrote: There are multiple types of addiction. It seems you only believe in substance addiction and not behavioral addiction. 

But I guess it also would depend on what you view as substances. Do you only view that as drugs or alcohol, or can it be anything that is used to make someone feel different?
 
Well, technically, sugar is a substance, and also a drug, that quite a few of us are probably addicted to, whether or not we care to recognise the fact.

Salt, tea, coffee.

They all tick the box.

Heroin, or crack, though, that's a wee bit of a different level of addiction.

Again, and like others have proposed, I've never seen anyone suck d*ck for a bag of sugar or a pitcher of salt.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(07-11-2025, 01:52 PM)MonkMode Wrote: Sex is trauma, and this trauma becomes gravely severe if unchecked. 

The withdrawal pain from seriously holding yourself accountable for this disease is the greatest, IMO, worse than meth or heroin, and akin to child birth.

Do you think I would be qualified to hold rapists accountable for their sins, if I was not qualified for holding myself accountable for the sin of consensual sex for pleasure?  I don’t.  

You need to give somebody a chance to rehabilitate IMO. 

The ignorance toward sex being severely traumatic shows almost nobody is being accountable.
Maybe your doing it wrong? Saint2

The idea that all sex is trauma isn't true for most people mate, quite the opposite in point of fact.

Sorry but comparing consensual sex to things like heroin or childbirth doesn’t hold up, those are very different things, both physically and emotionally.

Holding rapists accountable doesn't require someone to feel guilty for having sex.

That's not how justice works.

Calling sex a disease or sin goes too far.

Just because it's been painful for some doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.

Else we would not fecking do it for a start.

No sex, well, there goes humanity, im afraid.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
Power is nothing in the context of motivations,... it's a whim of the mind.

Thinking it is might even be the spark that creates the problem... makes you want it.

Rape is a sucker punch. Elaborated upon cruelly, and without regard to the pain and suffering you are causing.

I like to point out that it lacks any virtue... it's sort of an admission of something else...

And rape is not always physical.. cruelty knows no boundaries.

I get it... it's vile, repulsive, and also dishonorable...

But not every rape is the same...  and rapists are as diverse as their victims...
(07-11-2025, 03:15 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Power is nothing in the context of motivations,... it's a whim of the mind.

Thinking it is might even be the spark that creates the problem... makes you want it.

Rape is a sucker punch. Elaborated upon cruelly, and without regard to the pain and suffering you are causing.

I like to point out that it lacks any virtue... it's sort of an admission of something else...

And rape is not always physical.. cruelty knows no boundaries.

I get it... it's vile, repulsive, and also dishonorable...

But not every rape is the same...  and rapists are as diverse as their victims...

Power is actually central to motivation.

People hurt others to feel in control, to dominate, and unfortunately to fill some internal void they cannot satisfy in any other way.

And i respectfully suggest that saying power is just a whim overlooks the real, toxic drives behind violence.

Rape isn't just a random "sucker punch", it's a choice, more often than not calculated and premeditated.

Meant to control and dehumanise.

While yeah, rape can be emotional or psychological too but that doesn't make it vague or less real.

And saying "not every rape is the same" can easily slide into minimising it.

Sure, rapists come in all forms, but that doesn't mean their actions deserve soft framing.

It's still abuse. Period.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(07-11-2025, 02:06 PM)BeTheGoddess Wrote: I mentioned chocolate, its a substance that people claim they are addicted to, but there is NO physical addiction; its not addctive.

Buut go on and tell us cannabis is a "gateway drug".

It is a gateway drug.

To getting off other nasty substances, that is.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(07-11-2025, 03:22 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Power is actually central to motivation.

People hurt others to feel in control, to dominate, and unfortunately to fill some internal void they cannot satisfy in any other way.

And i respectfully suggest that saying power is just a whim overlooks the real, toxic drives behind violence.

Rape isn't just a random "sucker punch", it's a choice, more often than not calculated and premeditated.

Meant to control and dehumanise.

While yeah, rape can be emotional or psychological too but that doesn't make it vague or less real.

And saying "not every rape is the same" can easily slide into minimising it.

Sure, rapists come in all forms, but that doesn't mean their actions deserve soft framing.

It's still abuse. Period.

And abuse should not be tolerated...

I say address the abuse, people can contrive all manner of narratives to sort through the motivations,
the contribution factors, the ancillary circumstances.... it's the abuse that is the problem.

Can we say that every rapist is this or that? Sure...
I don't think that path moves forward.

Frankly, should I experience it, I would probably want to demand the death penalty.

But rape isn't always violent or an attack.

It can be, and has been, a trap...

That's rape too.

The violence hides behind coercion and trickery.

(Sorry if this might seem off point, but I'm learning this topic, I'm glad you're here... )



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