Trump and Epstein were great buddies

[Vermilion]

He did just answer. He said both sides look complicit in the coverup up to this point. Something many here have said including myself.

You’re operating on the assumption that if someone is being critical of this government, they must be democrats. That’s simply not true in a nuanced world of ideas. We can criticize those in power while saying the other side was bad too.

That said, I’ve seen plenty of self proclaimed leftists in public discourse happily say charge democrats too if they’re guilty. People can be critical of their own party. Just like how many people on the right admitted to feeling disenfranchised by Bush Jr.

Dogma is not pragmatic, a vast majority of people in the country aren’t extreme left or extreme right. So trying to push all or nothing narratives isn’t going to gain political capital.

I’m sure Andy appreciates the reach around you just gave him and will reciprocate in similar fashion.


“He did just answer. He said both sides look complicit in the coverup up to this point. Something many here have said including myself.”

The “but both sides are guilty” nonanswer to a specific question is just a lazy distraction/evasion, and is clearly the go-to when the hard questions are finally asked.
Trying to spin a made up conspiracy (Trump is trying to cover up his pedoness) to replace the actual conspiracy (democrats tampering and redacting extremely cherry-picked evidence 3/23,000).

Trump haters: Trump is a dirty pedo and he’s hiding the evidence proving it.

Reality: There is zero evidence of that, yet plenty of evidence showing Trump actually helped get Epstein locked up.

Trump haters: Well Trump and the republicans are covering it up.

Reality: Democrats were just caught tampering, redacting and hiding all but 3 cherry picked files out of 23,000. Nobody would have known until the republicans released all 23,000 unredacted files.

Trump haters: Well it’s both sides doing it.

-Insert giant face palm emoji here-

[Oldcarpy2]

I’m sure Andy appreciates the reach around you just gave him and will reciprocate in similar fashion.


“He did just answer. He said both sides look complicit in the coverup up to this point. Something many here have said including myself.”

The “but both sides are guilty” nonanswer to a specific question is just a lazy distraction/evasion, and is clearly the go-to when the hard questions are finally asked.
Trying to spin a made up conspiracy (Trump is trying to cover up his pedoness) to replace the actual conspiracy (democrats tampering and redacting extremely cherry-picked evidence 3/23,000).

Trump haters: Trump is a dirty pedo and he’s hiding the evidence proving it.

Reality: There is zero evidence of that, yet plenty of evidence showing Trump actually helped get Epstein locked up.

Trump haters: Well Trump and the republicans are covering it up.

Reality: Democrats were just caught tampering, redacting and hiding all but 3 cherry picked files out of 23,000. Nobody would have known until the republicans released all 23,000 unredacted files.

Trump haters: Well it’s both sides doing it.

-Insert giant face palm emoji here-

Truth seekers:  Let's have some transparency, do what you said you'd do and just release the damn files
.

[andy06shake]

I’m sure Andy appreciates the reach around you just gave him and will reciprocate in similar fashion.


“He did just answer. He said both sides look complicit in the coverup up to this point. Something many here have said including myself.”

The “but both sides are guilty” nonanswer to a specific question is just a lazy distraction/evasion, and is clearly the go-to when the hard questions are finally asked.
Trying to spin a made up conspiracy (Trump is trying to cover up his pedoness) to replace the actual conspiracy (democrats tampering and redacting extremely cherry-picked evidence 3/23,000).

Trump haters: Trump is a dirty pedo and he’s hiding the evidence proving it.

Reality: There is zero evidence of that, yet plenty of evidence showing Trump actually helped get Epstein locked up.

Trump haters: Well Trump and the republicans are covering it up.

Reality: Democrats were just caught tampering, redacting and hiding all but 3 cherry picked files out of 23,000. Nobody would have known until the republicans released all 23,000 unredacted files.

Trump haters: Well it’s both sides doing it.

-Insert giant face palm emoji here-

Classic projection really.

Well done!

Suffice to say.

The world.

Including your own.

Is somewhat more complicated.

Than the left vs right mentality.

You assume to be the only colour of the day.

"just release the damn files."

Indeed.

[Maxmars]

The problem is that the "party" can use their members in office to 'control' the justice system.

It's not restrained in any meaningful way.  No consequences for misuse, no restrictions of "political judgement" have any limiting effect on how the law is "used," by "whom," or even to what end.

Opposing political parties have ONLY ever called each other criminals and fiends.  This is ALWAYS so.
That is a function of their "culture" and the media is only too glad to help... ($$$)
Idiots like us.... aren't even "in the game" until election time....

All of this... is being used to flavor "a sauce" of "PR/Marketing" gimmicks for later.
And we will NOT see this so-called evidence - not all of it - never gonna happen.

This is too much political leverage to give up... and I promise you they won't...
it's a "bullet" for a particular "gun" they love to wield against one another.


Meanwhile... it's OK that the actual - reason they exist - citizens, languish in ignorance...
knowing only a crime has happened, and is happening...
but the construct of their world is too important to threaten with reality...
so they hide from it... and the media provides theater...

While they prosecute their mission... whatever that really is.

They hid a coup for 50 years... they will attempt to hide this the same way...

Aww... now I'm sad.

[UltraBudgie]

Meanwhile... it's OK that the actual - reason they exist - citizens, languish in ignorance...
knowing only a crime has happened, and is happening...
but the construct of their world is too important to threaten with reality...
so they hide from it... and the media provides theater...

While they prosecute their mission... whatever that really is.

They hid a coup for 50 years... they will attempt to hide this the same way...

Aww... now I'm sad.

How much of their tapestry of lies have you unravelled?

Remember that supposed quote "We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"?

I had no idea how far along they were.

Aww... now I'm sad too.

At least I'm not worried about the Epstein kerfuffle pulling the pin on the hand grenade. That just seems so... implausible.

Enjoy your America, folks. You're welcome to it.

[KrustyKrab]

I think all files should be released regardless of consequences to whoever.   And since the Dems are so rabid about connecting trump to raping young girls.   When are we going to go after the last administration Biden, Harris, Mayorkas especially, for facilitating the trafficking of children into prostitution and labor camps for four years?   Where’s the outrage from the left about that?  

I find it disgusting that’s there’s not a peep from the left about seeking justice for those kids, thankfully some of these kids are now being rescued by the DHS and FBI.  Traffickers are being arrested yes but the culprit of the trafficking was dems open border policy, they literally facilitated it with no remorse or actions to resolve it,  they just watched in denial as it happened without a GD care in the world.   

So……all this bs rage from the left about getting Trump I find to be hypocritical and rather pathetic.  Because none of them really GAF about the well being of any of these children, Epstein girls or recently trafficked children.  

They lost 500k kids FFS.  They should be held accountable shouldn’t they?   It’s gross incompetence at a whole new level.  So, while some of you are so desperate to connect Trump, why don’t you start with the last administration and go after them?   Embarrassed you supported child trafficking?   Because that’s what you’re trying to do to Trump.    Those people are hypocrites of the worst kind, absolutely NO balls to do what’s right. 

[Maxmars]

How much of their tapestry of lies have you unravelled?

...

When the truth is made elusive... on purpose... you needn't fret that
they "did it for no reason."

We are not being told everything because "someone" has "decided"
that they don't "have" to tell you.

They don't have to. 

Since "the citizens" do not have a means to appeal this without engaging the
gatekeepers themselves.... the parties are free to victimize, abuse, lie, cheat, AND conspire...
with zero consequences... the media-political-banking combine believes if they control the 
'appearance' of things in the record... they can o as they please...

So far, they always end up running from their "politically-expedient" choices and hiding from
the world behind the "machine."

[CriticalStinker]

I’m sure Andy appreciates the reach around you just gave him and will reciprocate in similar fashion.


“He did just answer. He said both sides look complicit in the coverup up to this point. Something many here have said including myself.”

The “but both sides are guilty” nonanswer to a specific question is just a lazy distraction/evasion, and is clearly the go-to when the hard questions are finally asked.
Trying to spin a made up conspiracy (Trump is trying to cover up his pedoness) to replace the actual conspiracy (democrats tampering and redacting extremely cherry-picked evidence 3/23,000).

Trump haters: Trump is a dirty pedo and he’s hiding the evidence proving it.

Reality: There is zero evidence of that, yet plenty of evidence showing Trump actually helped get Epstein locked up.

Trump haters: Well Trump and the republicans are covering it up.

Reality: Democrats were just caught tampering, redacting and hiding all but 3 cherry picked files out of 23,000. Nobody would have known until the republicans released all 23,000 unredacted files.

Trump haters: Well it’s both sides doing it.

-Insert giant face palm emoji here-

I don’t think this is just about Trump. There’s plenty of evidence that there were multiple entities involved. 

I’ve also said multiple times that he may not have directly engaged in activities, but might be running cover for politicians and donors.

You can say one side is worse, maybe they are. To me it’s a moot point when both sides have been trying to sweep this under the rug.

The right after all was calling for the release of this information for years until Bondi said case closed. The FBI director and his second in charge both made money on making it a key point in their podcasts. The vice president said for years that there are elites who are guilty running free. 

The ironic part to me is this probably wouldn’t be a conversation had Bondi not put out the binders that said “Part 1” which included almost no new files. She then went on to say everything was released (sans evidence with victims in it), and no one else was involved. Now the investigation is back open, and they’re investigating political opponents at the direction of Trump (which is fine by me, get everyone who is guilty).

Anyone not blanketed in ideological dogma can see that the ruling class has protected their own. And when you dig deep, it even looks like this was a big intelligence operation, which means they knowingly let it happen (at least those on the in).

Many of us have been consistent on this issue dating back to ATS. This has more people involved, get them all. The only inconsistency is in the sycophantic right who constantly toes the admins current narrative. We’re investigating everything, case closed nothing there, no one else involved, now it’s an investigation on named individuals.

[Vermilion]

I don’t think this is just about Trump. There’s plenty of evidence that there were multiple entities involved. 

I’ve also said multiple times that he may not have directly engaged in activities, but might be running cover for politicians and donors.

You can say one side is worse, maybe they are. To me it’s a moot point when both sides have been trying to sweep this under the rug.

The right after all was calling for the release of this information for years until Bondi said case closed. The FBI director and his second in charge both made money on making it a key point in their podcasts. The vice president said for years that there are elites who are guilty running free. 

The ironic part to me is this probably wouldn’t be a conversation had Bondi not put out the binders that said “Part 1” which included almost no new files. She then went on to say everything was released (sans evidence with victims in it), and no one else was involved. Now the investigation is back open, and they’re investigating political opponents at the direction of Trump (which is fine by me, get everyone who is guilty).

Anyone not blanketed in ideological dogma can see that the ruling class has protected their own. And when you dig deep, it even looks like this was a big intelligence operation, which means they knowingly let it happen (at least those on the in).

Many of us have been consistent on this issue dating back to ATS. This has more people involved, get them all. The only inconsistency is in the sycophantic right who constantly toes the admins current narrative. We’re investigating everything, case closed nothing there, no one else involved, now it’s an investigation on named individuals.

Trump (who you admit didn’t engage in those activities and was a Democrat then) is running cover for his friends who are democrats?
That doesn’t hash out.

This thing has been adjudicated and gone through dozens of times over two decades by multiple localities, multiple states, multiple federal agencies, the Virgin Islands, and France.
Did they all cover for the pedos?
Thousands of law enforcement, prosecutors, investigators and others and still nothing evidentiary to prove some any kind of pedo and blackmail ring?

[CriticalStinker]

Trump (who you admit didn’t engage in those activities and was a Democrat then) is running cover for his friends who are democrats?
That doesn’t hash out.

This thing has been adjudicated and gone through dozens of times over two decades by multiple localities, multiple states, multiple federal agencies, the Virgin Islands, and France.
Did they all cover for the pedos?
Thousands of law enforcement, prosecutors, investigators and others and still nothing evidentiary to prove some any kind of pedo and blackmail ring?

I said he may not have.

And you’re wondering if he would protect people who might not be Republican? He’s had Tim Cook, Zuckerberg, Gates and many other former enemies at the White House. Even helped them chalk up some deals.

Money and politics are two separate things. Sometimes they intersect, sometimes you put on the war paint.

And yes, I think a lot of those entities could be running cover for the rich and powerful. Wouldn’t be the first time. Remember the Panama papers?