Trump and Elon fight. Elon says Trump in Epstein files.

[andy06shake]

uless this is 4D chess like some saying. But I doubt it.

I would love to see Trump play 2d Chess, never mind the 4-dimensional sorts.

What's the bet he could not tell us all the simple movement patterns of the pieces?

[fiveandtwo]

Everybody knows Trump's buried up to his @rse and in the Epstein files.

Hence the reason Pam Bondi is faffing about redacting and lying about files that remain unreleased.

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That picture LOL

[putnam6]

Everybody knows Trump's buried up to his @rse and in the Epstein files.

Hence the reason Pam Bondi is faffing about redacting and lying about files that remain unreleased.

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So, how did nothing on Trump get leaked in all the years of Democrats being in control of the FBI? We have the Obama years and Biden's term. If there was evidence, it would have been used AGAINST Trump by now, the DNC has been screaming by any means necessary since 2016, and they still have not caught the rascally rabbit Donald  

 

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[CriticalStinker]

So, how did nothing on Trump get leaked in all the years of Democrats being in control of the FBI? We have the Obama years and Biden's term. If there was evidence, it would have been used AGAINST Trump by now, the DNC has been screaming by any means necessary since 2016, and they still have not caught the rascally rabbit Donald  

 

To be fair, no admin has really released anything of substance from the Epstein files.

To date, there are only two people charged. There hasn’t even really been anyone named with implications past speculation… no hard facts.

So my guess is the file is mutually assured destruction. Even if a politician’s own name isn’t on there, my guess is it would do heavy damage against both parties, so that’s why none of them have let it see the light of day.

Trump of course could break that trend, and has promised to do so. We will see if he lives up to that.

[andy06shake]

So, how did nothing on Trump get leaked in all the years of Democrats being in control of the FBI? We have the Obama years and Biden's term. If there was evidence, it would have been used AGAINST Trump by now, the DNC has been screaming by any means necessary since 2016, and they still have not caught the rascally rabbit Donald  

 

Possibly because Epstein’s files are heavily redacted or sealed, limiting access to agencies like the FBI.

Trump did say he would release the files, and yet we are still waiting........................

Bondi defends the pace, or lack of such, as necessary and legally responsible.

I dont think we will ever see a full release of the files.

Same as i don't think Epstein committed suicide all by himself in that cell.

Do you?

[putnam6]

To be fair, no admin has really released anything of substance from the Epstein files.

To date, there are only two people charged. There hasn’t even really been anyone named with implications past speculation… no hard facts.

So my guess is the file is mutually assured destruction. Even if a politician’s own name isn’t on there, my guess is it would do heavy damage against both parties, so that’s why none of them have let it see the light of day.

Trump of course could break that trend, and has promised to do so. We will see if he lives up to that.

Come on CS my answer was to the pure speculation "Trump is up to his azz in the Epstein files."  

It's all pure speculation as to whether Trump did ANYTHING criminal...#1 AND #2 if he did, and there's evidence, it's been covered up by 3 administrations and FBI heads.

Thats just as concerning as the Epstein shit, the political and departmental corruption needed to hide the evidence against Trump is a vast multi decade far reaching conspiracy.

[CriticalStinker]

Come on CS my answer was to the pure speculation "Trump is up to his azz in the Epstein files."  

It's all pure speculation as to whether Trump did ANYTHING criminal...#1 AND #2 if he did, and there's evidence, it's been covered up by 3 administrations and FBI heads.

Thats just as concerning as the Epstein shit, the political and departmental corruption needed to hide the evidence against Trump is a vast multi decade far reaching conspiracy.

That’s a fair take, and one I kind of share. There’s a reason I haven’t ever implied Trump is directly complicit. That’s why I noted, even if someone isn’t directly named as a bad actor, it still could do damage to their overall party.

I don’t think every politician engaged in that, probably not even a majority, especially since that all got shut down years ago, and there’s been quite a few changes in the government since.

But this is the problem with the government keeping something this high profile hidden. It gives the space for people to speculate, and make claims that can’t be proven or disproven.

Ive never been a fan of Musk, not when he was the lefts hero, not when he switched sides, and not even now even if some of this is funny, and we all know I’m not a fan of Trump. I think Musk has always been an opportunist lacking any sort of real ideology, I think this moment is no different. He went for a low blow that can’t be proven or disproven and it will do damage.

[putnam6]

Possibly because Epstein’s files are heavily redacted or sealed, limiting access to agencies like the FBI.

Trump did say he would release the files, and yet we are still waiting........................

Bondi defends the pace, or lack of such, as necessary and legally responsible.

I dont think we will ever see a full release of the files.

Same as i don't think Epstein committed suicide all by himself in that cell.

Do you?

No, I don't think he committed suicide, but thats speculative too. Im skeptical of everything, including my skepticism about being skeptical. He could have, though, especially if he was Mossad, they would have all the receipts they could have used Epstein's vices against him over and over till he got caught and pressed him to commit suicide as to expose Mossad's involvement. 

If I had to guess, the Epstein stuff touches so many prominent people in so many countries, much better to leverage the information before even thinking about prosecution. ie, a smaller fish might incriminate a much larger fish.

The uncertainty of this can be used in 100 different ways. Imagine if we knew prominent world leaders were involved, what might be able to be negotiated? 

BUT mostly it is they, the FBI/DOJ have to decide to prosecute, and then they need to find witnesses willing to testify against those individuals. It's ONLY been 160 days LOL, my simple divorce case took almost 8 months

It's all pure speculation as to whether Trump did ANYTHING criminal...#1 AND #2 if he did, and there's evidence, it's been covered up by 3 administrations and FBI heads.

Thats just as concerning as the Epstein shit, the political and departmental corruption needed to hide the evidence against Trump is a vast multi decade far reaching conspiracy.

[andy06shake]

No, I don't think he committed suicide, but thats speculative too. Im skeptical of everything, including my skepticism about being skeptical. 

I think that's what we would call a rather recursive stance.

And i think we should all reflect on the limits of certainty and perception.

I would still like to see those files all the same, i mean everybody does, and on all sides.

Because the entire situation stinks to high heaven.

No two ways about it.

[FlyersFan]

If anything bad about Trump was in the Epstein files, the Democrats would have used it already.   They would have broken into the files and pounced, even if it were illegal to do so.   They don't care about the law.  I'm actually surprised that they didn't fabricate something and try to pass it off as legit ... like HIllary tried with the Russia collusion hoax.

Both Trump and Musk are acting infantile.   But Musk is worse.   He's acting like he's co-president and should have access and control over everything.   In reality, he's just a mega donor who was given a temporary government position at DOGE for 130 days ... and that's up.   That wasn't a free pass to jump into anything and everything in the government.   And Musk was just fine with Trump until Trump killed the EV mandate and the green tax credits.   That was the right thing for Trump to do but it cut into Elons $$$ so he's now having a temper tantrum.