Trump Neurosis Thread

[putnam6]

Saw this meme brought up in a thread about Schumer whimpering" Everybody knows there is waste that needs to be cut but Elon is using a meat axe". As if his azz hasn't been a politician for 40-plus years.

Someone added this would hurt everybody... which is ABSOLUTELY fine waste is waste. Save every nickle 

Even if it seems heavy-handed (it's not BTW) the government needed a financial dead reckoning 

[Maxmars]

I find it really amazing that American people are so emotionally invested in politics. So eager to talk about it regularly, so supportive of their political idols. It's fascinating to me because here in Poland, apart from the very few fanatics locked up in their intellectual ghettos, most people are just "meh."

We have also two parties that count most, liberals and conservatives, but they are so similar in their stupidity that the end result is the same no matter who you vote for. If I wanted to get neurotic about one idiot, I would have to be neurotic about all other remaining idiots because they are no different. I would end up permanently triggered.

I was thinking about giving up voting altogether but during the communist times people were imprisoned and tortured for fighting for democracy so that today we could vote for our favorite idiots. I don't want to disrespect our national heroes but, for goodness' sake, it's a tough choice because everyone is trying so hard to outdo the rivals in being stupid. It's a real primus inter pares game.

Now in May we will be electing a president and both of the major candidates resemble each other not only in behavior but also in appearance. It's like a two faced alien idiot. Maybe, I'll toss a coin or something.

Perhaps America seems the only nation with this strangely intense affliction to lean towards open exposition and heated debate.

I was thinking this has to do with a distinct characteristic of the US social political discourse.  

Unlike most national groups, devoted to a heritage of lengthy and cherished history, the US is a conglomerate of peoples generally disaffected with the 'established' rules and traditions which they found unsuitable for fruitful prosperity of their progeny.  As the swathes of populations relocated here, they proceeded to do something entirely rejected by the static traditions and cultures of their 'norm' - they built a new human world to cultivate... and it while it was based upon the dignity of their collective identities, it was built around a mandate that did not reject others out of absolutist reasoning... you know "not us = threat/enemy."

So America grew up without a true 'locked in" American-exclusive cultural concept.
Liberty, freedom, honor, dignity, respect, and of course true equality of ultimate personal value, were the commonly agreed-upon values.

But everyone who in lock step with the march of their zealotry about their past heritage and history sides first with their past, pridefully clinging to something they had absolutely nothing to do with, yet clinging to the social value that others codified and formalized in other places, under other circumstances, with different people at different points in a different past.

As a result, many people seem to think that the United States has no culture of it's own. 
But it does... it's a culture of open exploration of how we citizens live.. and at least in the US... why.

Of course, this is an opinion, and as such it might change, or completely vanish depending upon reality and new ideas, as of yet unconsidered.

The "parties" we collect our intentions into are about differences of opinion...  which logic indicates, we are all free to asses and evaluate. 
Except each "party" (at least apparently) is more focused on the social 'glamor' of its own collective continued existence as a group, than the actual reason they were created - namely, to address and solve the concerns of those citizens it represents. 
In America, the media engendered a perspective... it served their owners, not the people.
That perspective was the "cult" of personality, the joy of verbally demolishing your opponent, "entertainment," and the iron-clad that if they reported it, "it is true."

Listen to the media and you will forever be briefed as a 'victim' of things you have no control over, and no real means to embrace as 'acceptable.'
The quasi-governmental media makes "cults" for their hero worship, and 'hate clubs' to describe those who confront her.
The parties themselves are frat-house clubs, led by mini-wannabe Mafiosi (and some Mafiosi in earnest)  - they KNOW they are broken... rather than "fix" the party they scramble to 'get away with what they can' and 'grab as much as your pockets will hold' and 'focus on the "show."

I would say that one of the outrageous and extraordinary ideas I imagine for a better future is that in every single country around the world, where citizen will is actually registered and minded, all political parties should be outright abolished and forced to re-establish themselves under renewed/refined clearly stated principles - unsubsidized by combines, giant economic powerhouses, and globe-spanning interests... nor MOST importantly... existing government manipulations (who have all the leverage to override the will of the people despite the promise and mandate that they never interfere in the will of the citizens.)

I suppose in Poland, with your more seasoned communities, and longer-established civic and community relationships, you might consider the US as a crazy-house of nonsense and dysfunction... but we are working on it... and we are not blind to our problems... but we appreciate your observations with gratitude...

[Anna]

I suppose in Poland, with your more seasoned communities, and longer-established civic and community relationships, you might consider the US as a crazy-house of nonsense and dysfunction... but we are working on it... and we are not blind to our problems... but we appreciate your observations with gratitude...

I'm not sure if I would call it craziness or dysfunction. It's just alien to me, kind of exotic stuff. As much as I find all cults of personality lame, I would wish there were people I could vote for without any reservations. Someone I could say about: Hey, these are decent people, they have their faults but, at least, they are trying. Instead, each time I go to the polls, I get a longer or shorter list of clowns and I have a headache because I don't know which box to tick.

[Maxmars]

I'm not sure if I would call it craziness or dysfunction. It's just alien to me, kind of exotic stuff. As much as I find all cults of personality lame, I would wish there were people I could vote for without any reservations. Someone I could say about: Hey, these are decent people, they have their faults but, at least, they are trying. Instead, each time I go to the polls, I get a longer or shorter list of clowns and I have a headache because I don't know which box to tick.

I came to that exact same point... so I suppose that means that despite all the chatter to the contrary, we are all alike as people... that seems reassuring... it's not only "not just my country," it's also "not just me." 

[putnam6]

Perhaps America seems the only nation with this strangely intense affliction to lean towards open exposition and heated debate.

I was thinking this has to do with a distinct characteristic of the US social political discourse.  

Unlike most national groups, devoted to a heritage of lengthy and cherished history, the US is a conglomerate of peoples generally disaffected with the 'established' rules and traditions which they found unsuitable for fruitful prosperity of their progeny.  As the swathes of populations relocated here, they proceeded to do something entirely rejected by the static traditions and cultures of their 'norm' - they built a new human world to cultivate... and it while it was based upon the dignity of their collective identities, it was built around a mandate that did not reject others out of absolutist reasoning... you know "not us = threat/enemy."

So America grew up without a true 'locked in" American-exclusive cultural concept.
Liberty, freedom, honor, dignity, respect, and of course true equality of ultimate personal value, were the commonly agreed-upon values.

But everyone who in lock step with the march of their zealotry about their past heritage and history sides first with their past, pridefully clinging to something they had absolutely nothing to do with, yet clinging to the social value that others codified and formalized in other places, under other circumstances, with different people at different points in a different past.

As a result, many people seem to think that the United States has no culture of it's own. 
But it does... it's a culture of open exploration of how we citizens live.. and at least in the US... why.

Of course, this is an opinion, and as such it might change, or completely vanish depending upon reality and new ideas, as of yet unconsidered.

The "parties" we collect our intentions into are about differences of opinion...  which logic indicates, we are all free to asses and evaluate. 
Except each "party" (at least apparently) is more focused on the social 'glamor' of its own collective continued existence as a group, than the actual reason they were created - namely, to address and solve the concerns of those citizens it represents. 
In America, the media engendered a perspective... it served their owners, not the people.
That perspective was the "cult" of personality, the joy of verbally demolishing your opponent, "entertainment," and the iron-clad that if they reported it, "it is true."

Listen to the media and you will forever be briefed as a 'victim' of things you have no control over, and no real means to embrace as 'acceptable.'
The quasi-governmental media makes "cults" for their hero worship, and 'hate clubs' to describe those who confront her.
The parties themselves are frat-house clubs, led by mini-wannabe Mafiosi (and some Mafiosi in earnest)  - they KNOW they are broken... rather than "fix" the party they scramble to 'get away with what they can' and 'grab as much as your pockets will hold' and 'focus on the "show."

I would say that one of the outrageous and extraordinary ideas I imagine for a better future is that in every single country around the world, where citizen will is actually registered and minded, all political parties should be outright abolished and forced to re-establish themselves under renewed/refined clearly stated principles - unsubsidized by combines, giant economic powerhouses, and globe-spanning interests... nor MOST importantly... existing government manipulations (who have all the leverage to override the will of the people despite the promise and mandate that they never interfere in the will of the citizens.)

I suppose in Poland, with your more seasoned communities, and longer-established civic and community relationships, you might consider the US as a crazy-house of nonsense and dysfunction... but we are working on it... and we are not blind to our problems... but we appreciate your observations with gratitude...

I agree no country has such a diversified population, no country has had its borders open to the poor the tired the huddled masses of dozens of countries from Europe to Asia the Middle East, etc for easily a century and a half.  You can live free and adhere pretty much to your native culture as long as you aren't azzholes and expect immediate changes, every group the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese that came in had to endure the growing pains of Americanization.

Increasingly immigrants forget that crucial aspect, our high school was one of the most racially diversified in the southeast US in the 70s by the mid-70s we had Latinos, Asians, and a few Eastern Europeans mixed in with the black and white population, a few years at first we had bad racial shit but by 83 we had mixed dating and a damn good soccer team, not only that our graduation rate improved BECAUSE  the kids assimilated, we were all the same lower middle class mostly blue collar. Now the area is an economic hub racially mixed community with some incredible people and businesses but it took 30 years

[putnam6]

Well so much for our Canadian frwends, are these previous Canadian tariffs correct?

Respectfully if true what's good for the Canadian goose should fly for the American Eagle?

 [Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/173...bigger.jpg]
Pascal Anglehart 

@DemosKratosCA

Just to be clear, these are the tariffs Canada imposed on the USA for years, even before Trump ran his first mandate : Dairy Products: Milk: 270% Cheese: 245% Butter: 298% Other Agricultural Products: Chicken: 238% Sausages: 69.9% Barley seed: 57-57.8% Industrial Goods: Copper: 48% Aluminum: 45% Steel: 25% Consumer Goods: Cars: 45% TVs: 45% Eggs: 163% Wheat: 94% Bovine/Meat: 26.5% Source : Global Affairs Canada We started the trade war. Most Canadian businesses are taxed heavily by the government and couldn't survive without imposing tariffs on the USA. This is the price of socio-communism.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Neurosis threads often miss greater context. That is probably an example of that.

The dairy one is interesting. It starts out at 1% and after an allowed import quota is met, which I read is not much, the tariffs escalate to between 218 and 298%

I am now imagining the Canadian dairy lobby war room. Maybe an effigy of a Packers fan is hanging. Maps of California (18.5 billion kg) and Wisconsin (14 billion kg) with total dairy production numbers line the wall.

[putnam6]

Neurosis threads often miss greater context. That is probably an example of that.

The dairy one is interesting. It starts out at 1% and after an allowed import quota is met, which I read is not much, the tariffs escalate to between 218 and 298%

I am now imagining the Canadian dairy lobby war room. Maybe an effigy of a Packers fan is hanging. Maps of California (18.5 billion kg) and Wisconsin (14 billion kg) with total dairy production numbers line the wall.

I do not doubt you are correct, essentially the fewer kilograms of dairy the US imports from Canada the higher the tariff per kilogram, I think.
Looks like yogurt, ice cream, and other products consisting of natural milk constituents have gone "whey" up 357 million in total US imports up 100 million Canadian dollars from just 2 years ago

in 2022 Canada made 39 million more dollars on 1.8 million fewer kilos of milk products exported to the US in 2021. COVID related most likely

https://agriculture.canada.ca/en/market-...=1#wb-cont

[quintessentone]

So I decided to preemptively streamline my contribution to political criticism to a single thread I can return to over the course of Trump's term, however long that might be, to complain about His Majesty's incendiary decrees.

Or things surrounding his infant second term when they become relevant. Especially that which makes me say, "Oh come on, what the f*ck?"

And I will start off my thread of coping with this one:

January, 24th 2025. 4 Days into 2nd term.

Constitutional amendment to allow Trump third term introduced in the House


A little freaking early don't ya think? Are we already doing a Vladamir Putin Amendment for him? Can we not see parallels? I guess it's just a reversal of 80 years of precedent and a silly old constitutional amendment anyway.

I'm sorry, Trump's congressional groupies are freaking high. But if they insist on paving the way for a "president for life" the Democrats could technically get the architect of republican nightmares, Barrack Hussein Obama to run against him in 2028. He'll be young enough still. Only 63 now. I'd like to have him another time through, wouldn't you? Any takers?

There's tons of others like the judically blocked unconstitutional (for now) birthright removal decree. And these could all get their own threads, but that would be a level of committed neurosis even I cannot attain.

Until next time something accidentally slips into my newsfeed and need to rant about it...

Give the majority of American people time to get pissed off enough to take to the streets.

[putnam6]

Give the majority of American people time to get pissed off enough to take to the streets.

The majority of pissed-off Americans decided in November... 

Time will tell but it doesn't feel like the same impetus from his first term is present yet.  

What "political" movement will have its leaders embezzle 40 million dollars that will occur ORGANICALLY again so soon?