Trump Neurosis Thread

[putnam6]

And we have Alaska and a friendly relationship with Canada (for now), Greenland doesn't really counter Russian and Chinese incursions over Alaska's many archipelagos. Maybe IF WE ARE NICE Canada will let us build an Alert type base on steroids? The other side of Baffin Bay works too.

The strategic purpose of Greenland is Danish oil. They used to extract it but then climate change made them reconsider. For the sake of emaciated polar bears. Now we have the climate denial administration. The Northwest of Greenland rivals Saudi Arabia in oil reserves. Drill baby drill.

I was fine with doing that on The North Slope of Alaska. Frack Montana and North Dakota. Turn West Texas into an earthquake hazard, we don't need Greenland.

If I was Denmark I would call the bluff. I'd offer it on condition no petroleum is ever extracted from its soil and see if Trump still wants it. Like buying a homeless person their "water" instead of giving them change for "water."


The only reason he lost was because a stir crazy lockdown got distracted by a dead drug addict killed by a racist cop. That was the "organic" defeat.

And interesting because it was nothing Trump actually did that lost him support. What he does, and people like me bitch about, gains him support.

I compare Trump's first term to Clinton's 2nd term. Pelosi as a democrat Kenneth Starr leading the witchhunt for any reason they could get him for.

Remember when cheating on your wife for a politician wasn't something that could be brushed off? Especially lying about being a cheating philanderer. You could once be impeached for lying that you sleep with mistresses. I'm gonna guess Clinton and Trump rank near each-other on the list of marital infidelity.

You could also argue that it was influenced by a republican inability to deal with a spiteful witchhunt that takes up almost an entire term when it happens to them.

The Pendulum swings though. And it is partly my role (as the varmint being shot at) to help swing that back by midterms. A free society will only take it so far. Now it's on the new and improved right, with all slack possible, to slowly hang themselves, and let me provide the political commentary, after the shock towards his purge-happy administration wears off.

The CEO gotta shake things up, I guess. Pretty soon, we'll be as well oiled as a Trump Shuttle.


The bread has ergot fungus that causes mass hallucinations, and the luncheon meat was past its expiration date. And I haven't developed a resistance to either food poisoning or LSA yet.

It was and is an unpleasant sandwich all around.

You are on a good old rant for sure... where every OMB comment or thought results in the worst-case scenario.

It will be a long 4 years. 

So the lockdown and Floyd were the only things that derailed Trump in 2020?

It wasn't just the lockdowns there was a general COVID fatigue with loads of his 2016 voter base being completely turned off by the MRNA VACCINES and other aspects of his COVID response. The BBC seems to believe it was more complex so does Time and CNN

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54788636 

 https://time.com/5907973/donald-trump-lo...-election/

 https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/politics/...index.html
 
Every think tank in the western hemisphere says America needs to beef up its MILITARY presence in the Arctic but it's just oil?

Oil, that even if America bought Greenland today would take years to exploit? He isn't going to buy Greenland LOL, it's virtually impossible and he damn sure isn't going to invade so exactly how does he get access to those said oil reserves?

While the military threat exists today and will till when and if your mythical American oil rigs in Greenland/ Arctic ever get built.

Politico covers why being concerned about buying or annexing Greenland isn't likely to happen. Mainly because Greenland will be independent and generally Greenlanders won't back such overt exploitation of thier resources without being well compensated even then it's not even close to 50/50 . The US and Canada have untapped oil and gas reserves in the Arctic that are not fully drained. 

Military bases, however? even with the US's bases in Alaska, it is just one small slice of the Arctic pie.

NATO has fewer bases and those bases are less equipped and staffed than the Russian bases. Naval bases especially

 


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/09...y-00197197

The U.S. hasn’t bought territory outright since snapping up the Philippines from Spain at the end of the 19th century. And international law has made it taboo — if not outright illegal — to buy, sell, or steal territory.
“If it’s not internationally recognized as valid and legitimate, then that’s going to cause all sorts of complications in actually benefiting from that relationship with Greenland,”

 
Even if Greenland decides to become independent, the U.S. could still find a way to exercise more control over the island.
The U.S. has deals like that, called Compacts of Free Association, with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau in the western Pacific islands.
 
Such a deal would give the U.S. exclusive military access and the right to determine which other nations can base their troops to Greenland. It could give the Pentagon a larger foothold in the region while pushing back on Chinese access to Arctic shipping routes as the Polar ice caps melt and Russia’s air and naval bases in Murmansk, on the nearby Kola Peninsula.

“Denmark understands that Greenland is going to get independence,” said Gray. “They understand they don’t have the ability to defend Greenland post independence.”

 
The U.S. and NATO allies have significant gaps in surveillance coverage in parts of the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans. The U.S. could add more sophisticated sensors to add to the early warning radars that the Pentagon already has in place at Pituffik Space Base, on the northwestern tip of the island.
 “Norway keeps an eye on it, we keep an eye on it,” said Jim Townsend, a former senior Pentagon official who worked on NATO and Arctic defense policy. “That fills a gap. That’s important.”
Gray, the former Trump administration official, said that preventing Russia and China from exploiting Greenland is in everyone’s interest.
“The Chinese are experts at exploiting these developing, lightly populated countries and using them for their own purposes,” he said. “[Denmark] understands that a Greenland that’s susceptible to coercion is not in their interest or our interest.”

[Oldcarpy2]

"Imported English brown ales."

Which ones?

:beer:

[putnam6]

Never mind, the thread makes complete sense now

It would seem Trump really is living rent-free in some DC Democrats' heads, pretty embarrassing if you ask me

He has only been around politically for 12 or so years, I GUESS they have 4 more years to figure it out. 

[sahgwa]

To allow Any Politician this amount of control over your emotional health IS akin to a mental health issue or addiction in my humble opinion.
Just sad. 
Whatever happened to turn off, drop out? 
The system Wants you to get emotional.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Could be the rant was partially related to irritation at having to work today...

Always soooo much fun when Philly fans have a reason to brag. Only slightly less annoying than the Pats fans. The Bills fans I can get along with. It's just their thing to lose 4 times in sequence. :( Stay strong as always, Bills Mafia!

Anyway... back to freaking out over politics!

@ Putnam6

Why Greenland? Why not Nunavut? Will Canada have none of it?

Why not offer Canada a lucrative sum for an equally exploitable bit of land? And why do we need to own it? Joint bases are much more heartwarming. Why not try to acquire land for a base of mutual intetest in Greenland alongside Canada? Or in Canada? Why does it need to be without allies? Nationalism without civil allyship bugs me.

Plus buying Greenland for National defense reasons is like buying central park to grow a houseplant. Aren't you supposed to be the administration saving money? "I know let's buy 836,000 square miles for self defense."

Stop this imperialist stuff, please.

We have dozens of fully equipped bases in Japan, South Korea, and Phillipines. The world over. We don't need to administer the territory to establish a base for defense. Just be nice to the other countries and do it together even. It can be done without the hubris of vapid dick swinging. Does he know any other route to get his way? It's hard to cheer for.

Plus, the premise of trolling Denmark gets me. Southpark beat him to it. It's the ridiculous need to make that "firey" state level call and freak out the Danes by actually demanding they sell it. Why? I thought it was a joke. Why does he gotta start posturing against NATO allies and forming animosity with everyone? Tail wagging the dog of NATO exodus?

If only he could buy shares of Greenland and do it that way...

And I really don't see any other reason to own greenland specifically, other than future industry expansion at the expense of environmentalism. As a cornerstone of his administration is along the lines of "science made up climate change to force a liberal NWO agenda." That's his unofficial policy in hyperbolic land. It's kinda scary. He would buy it and open it up to petroleum speculating just to spite environmentalists.

But a salesman always knows how to convince the buyer there is an immediate need to purchase their product. The straight line between Denmark and petroleum/mining rights is an immediate need for national defense.

In my mind, to understand Trump you have to think like a 1980s Wallstreet Reaganite. It is territory they could get (or use) anywhere for "defense reasons" so what's this REALLY about? The exploitable land rights down the road seems more likely.

Call it a conspiracy. Call it the "Trump really wants Greenland to exploit the resources of the arctic under the guise of national defense" conspiracy.

To allow Any Politician this amount of control over your emotional health IS akin to a mental health issue or addiction in my humble opinion.
Just sad. 
Whatever happened to turn off, drop out?
The system Wants you to get emotional.

Timothy Leary got lost on the astral plane and Hunter S. Thompson blew his head off?

Just consider me still absolutely disturbed that my progressive version of McGovern got her ass-kicked by an [expletive redacted] with an enemies list.


(Sorry for low quality)

And it's really no different than the mental space a Newsom, Pelosi, Obama, George Soros, Klaus Schwab, or Disney had. And the mighty list of demonized liberals and woke degenerates I just had to read about trying to take over the world for the last 4 years. Seems like a universal glass house. No more or less irrational and committed than that.

And I believe I have 4 years remaining to lose my mind over specious logic, make assumptions, authoritative comparisons, and speculate on global takeovers with.

It won't be so bad. I'll probably get "resensitized" to his geopolitical trolling eventually.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

"Imported English brown ales."

Which ones?

:beer:

Newcastle Brown Ale. Most common one available here. That, or even a stout like Guiness (yes, I know thats Irish) if I want an alternate to food.

It's not IPA, or god forbid Double IPA. I like what is not of the pretentious hops obsessed local microbrew scene. Which likes it bitter with a foul aftertaste.

I gravitated to English brown ales because my dad drank Honey Brown or Cream Ale. And if you start with desert beer you need something sweeter thereafter.

[putnam6]

Could be the rant was partially related to irritation at having to work today...

Always soooo much fun when Philly fans have a reason to brag. Only slightly less annoying than the Pats fans. The Bills fans I can get along with. It's just their thing to lose 4 times in sequence. :( Stay strong as always, Bills Mafia!

Anyway... back to freaking out over politics!

@ Putnam6

Why Greenland? Why not Nunavut? Will Canada have none of it?

Why not offer Canada a lucrative sum for an equally exploitable bit of land? And why do we need to own it? Joint bases are much more heartwarming. Why not try to acquire land for a base of mutual intetest in Greenland alongside Canada? Or in Canada? Why does it need to be without allies? Nationalism without civil allyship bugs me.

Plus buying Greenland for National defense reasons is like buying central park to grow a houseplant. Aren't you supposed to be the administration saving money? "I know let's buy 836,000 square miles for self defense."

Stop this imperialist stuff, please.

We have dozens of fully equipped bases in Japan, South Korea, and Phillipines. The world over. We don't need to administer the territory to establish a base for defense. Just be nice to the other countries and do it together even. It can be done without the hubris of vapid dick swinging. Does he know any other route to get his way? It's hard to cheer for.

Plus, the premise of trolling Denmark gets me. Southpark beat him to it. It's the ridiculous need to make that "firey" state level call and freak out the Danes by actually demanding they sell it. Why? I thought it was a joke. Why does he gotta start posturing against NATO allies and forming animosity with everyone? Tail wagging the dog of NATO exodus?

If only he could buy shares of Greenland and do it that way...

And I really don't see any other reason to own greenland specifically, other than future industry expansion at the expense of environmentalism. As a cornerstone of his administration is along the lines of "science made up climate change to force a liberal NWO agenda." That's his unofficial policy in hyperbolic land. It's kinda scary. He would buy it and open it up to petroleum speculating just to spite environmentalists.

But a salesman always knows how to convince the buyer there is an immediate need to purchase their product. The straight line between Denmark and petroleum/mining rights is an immediate need for national defense.

In my mind, to understand Trump you have to think like a 1980s Wallstreet Reaganite. It is territory they could get (or use) anywhere for "defense reasons" so what's this REALLY about? The exploitable land rights down the road seems more likely.

Call it a conspiracy. Call it the "Trump really wants Greenland to exploit the resources of the arctic under the guise of national defense" conspiracy.


Timothy Leary got lost on the astral plane and Hunter S. Thompson blew his head off?

Just consider me still absolutely disturbed that my progressive version of McGovern got her ass-kicked by an [expletive redacted] with an enemies list.

[Video: https://youtu.be/FHIuKpQDGtQ?si=TIfUGgdLTAI1w5EM]
(Sorry for low quality)

And it's really no different than the mental space a Newsom, Pelosi, Obama, George Soros, Klaus Schwab, or Disney had. And the mighty list of demonized liberals and woke degenerates I just had to read about trying to take over the world for the last 4 years. Seems like a universal glass house. No more or less irrational and committed than that.

And I believe I have 4 years remaining to lose my mind over specious logic, make assumptions, authoritative comparisons, and speculate on global takeovers with.

It won't be so bad. I'll probably get "resensitized" to his geopolitical trolling eventually.

Generally, that is what veteran conspiracy people do, they discuss and ruminate over potential scenarios, and everybody has their opinion and viewpoints. ATS used to be able to discuss things mostly intelligently and respectfully, it's one reason I read your posts you bring a different viewpoint and are usually well thought out and presented where my community college-educated boomer mind can see where you are going, or you leave enough crumbs where I can read more about it online.

All Im suggesting is there is no way America is going to buy Greenland for many reasons Trump's comment began negotiations, no doubt Denmark and Greenlanders reached out privately with a WTF to the Trump admin. If this has legs at all we will hear the Left's media squeal, with more than the comment.

If we are going to lament with such surety of the end result, how exactly does the transfer of Greenland happen? What's the next sign that the Trump admin is actively pursuing Greenland? Here is a Newsweek article suggesting it's highly unlikely #1 and #2 both material resources and have a more robust Arctic presence are legit reasoning behind the comments. As well as #3 its not the first time an American President has floated the idea according to the article 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-us...hy-2005396

Besides Trump, Democrats have proposed buying Greenland. President Harry Truman offered to purchase it from Denmark in 1946 for $100 million in gold.

I'd suggest a rating scale of the likelihood of Trump's Greenland comments coming to fruition. This is less likely to occur probably on a scale of 2-3 out of 10. Isn't it more interesting to discuss what is likely to occur? Isn't it possible for the comments to be just Trump thinking out loud or using this as misdirection for any number of new and actionable directives?

Such as reassigning the 80,000 IRS to the Border Patrol or requiring thier resignation?

Would like to hear your thoughts on this?

Is there anything Trump has done that the left agrees with? 

I know it's extremely difficult for the Right, to identify any actions Biden took that they agree with. Probably how he hamstrung and handcuffed Kamala's campaign is the best example. Im sure there are a few others but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

[UltraBudgie]

Newcastle Brown Ale. Most common one available here. That, or even a stout like Guiness (yes, I know thats Irish) if I want an alternate to food.

It's not IPA, or god forbid Double IPA. I like what is not of the pretentious hops obsessed local microbrew scene. Which likes it bitter with a foul aftertaste.

I gravitated to English brown ales because my dad drank Honey Brown or Cream Ale. And if you start with desert beer you need something sweeter thereafter.

Try this. All the pretentiousness one could crave, without the bitterness:

[Oldcarpy2]

Newcastle Brown Ale. Most common one available here. That, or even a stout like Guiness (yes, I know thats Irish) if I want an alternate to food.

It's not IPA, or god forbid Double IPA. I like what is not of the pretentious hops obsessed local microbrew scene. Which likes it bitter with a foul aftertaste.

I gravitated to English brown ales because my dad drank Honey Brown or Cream Ale. And if you start with desert beer you need something sweeter thereafter.

Not a fan of Brown Ale myself, but here is Young's Double Chocolate Stout:

https://www.youngsbeers.co.uk/beers/doub...ate-stout/

Possibly an acquired taste?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

These headlines move fast. Just so many flying by. Flying like the heads of every democrat government employee. Like revenge order after revenge order. Every one to go after those left-leaning enemies of freedom, especially if they work for your government still.

Now we are on to the most important LGBT ones first. Knew that would be an early one. Gender affirming care for minors and transgender service personnel. True enemies. Both of them. I could post the articles, but that's all you really need.

Make me wonder what everyone's problem with transgender people really is?

It's such a whatever hysteric.

"Oh no, That girl hides estrogen shriveled male genitals, which are still attached, because she can't afford or doesn't want the surgery! And she's in the corner of the locker room facing away from everyone trying her best to not be an issue. So threatening. But god damn, after serveral years of girly drugs, she has got a really nice ass! You can tell she had a really feminine body to start with. Pretty hair too."

The team sports inclusion was a bridge too far. It is giving an unfair "Ladybugs" advantage to that team. It really is a valid argument. It was always destined to be sensationalized into something like "allowing delusional boys to beat up girls."

That's gotta really hurt to be one of those scapegoat kids that gets made a target. So much for their ideation, anyway. For Jesus now says you can bruttally railroad some high school transgender athlete if their existence makes you uncomfortable. You can even call them mentally diseased and evil. Totally in play now. Even if it doesnt directly have relevance to you. That's what they get for trying to be something they couldn't.

I feel bad for the kids it could have helped. Sorry dudes, gonna have to keep the duct tape handy a bit longer in life. Hope you don't get D cups. And no estrogen until you're 18, girly boys. Go back to being the "queer kid."

Though I think we'll still pay for it at a state level. Seems like something we'll do in defiance.