Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[quintessentone]

That is interesting and not surprising.  How pathetic humans have become to each other over greed and selfishness!

Perhaps when one is born into privilege, not having to work that hard to make it because 'daddy's or mommy's money', entitlement, and perhaps learning the corruption ropes that that is the only way they know (?) It certainly appears the greed and selfishness is there because they always seem to be on the path of amassing more and more assets and wealth.

Greed and selfishness within the upper middle class and the middle classes may be because of desperation to stop the sinking further and further into poverty because right now those classes are on a sinking ship.

For the poverty stricken, I would guess at that point they would just have given up trying because nobody is throwing them a lifesaver or rope to save them.

[Unknownparadox]

Perhaps when one is born into privilege, not having to work that hard to make it because 'daddy's or mommy's money', entitlement, and perhaps learning the corruption ropes that that is the only way they know (?) It certainly appears the greed and selfishness is there because they always seem to be on the path of amassing more and more assets and wealth.

Greed and selfishness within the upper middle class and the middle classes may be because of desperation to stop the sinking further and further into poverty because right now those classes are on a sinking ship.

For the poverty stricken, I would guess at that point they would just have given up trying because nobody is throwing them a lifesaver or rope to save them.

I think greed is just baked into Americans from the start these days. The measure of a person is their wealth. And this starts right from the beginning, people are handing cell phones to their kids, which in turn find all those lovely anti social media apps. Where everyone is touting what they have, while attacking everyone else. And yes even poor people have cell phones, it has become a necessity, it's hard to apply for a job without a cell phone or computer.

Americans worship the rich and famous. It's plastered everywhere, Sports, TV, movies, music. I can't imagine what the rich are telling their kids. But I know what the poor is telling theirs, we don't have enough money for that.

I seen a young guy in walmart not long back. He had a shirt on that said: "Make money, not friends." I told my now x girlfriend about it. She laughed, she thought it was funny.

[quintessentone]

I think greed is just baked into Americans from the start these days. The measure of a person is their wealth. And this starts right from the beginning, people are handing cell phones to their kids, which in turn find all those lovely anti social media apps. Where everyone is touting what they have, while attacking everyone else. And yes even poor people have cell phones, it has become a necessity, it's hard to apply for a job without a cell phone or computer.

Americans worship the rich and famous. It's plastered everywhere, Sports, TV, movies, music. I can't imagine what the rich are telling their kids. But I know what the poor is telling theirs, we don't have enough money for that.

I seen a young guy in walmart not long back. He had a shirt on that said: "Make money, not friends." I told my now x girlfriend about it. She laughed, she thought it was funny.

Well, it really is not funny because for the working and middle classes it's an all out effort to just keep afloat with making money, never mind having time left for friends or family.

[PorkChop96]

I think greed is just baked into Americans from the start these days. The measure of a person is their wealth. And this starts right from the beginning, people are handing cell phones to their kids, which in turn find all those lovely anti social media apps. Where everyone is touting what they have, while attacking everyone else. And yes even poor people have cell phones, it has become a necessity, it's hard to apply for a job without a cell phone or computer.

Americans worship the rich and famous. It's plastered everywhere, Sports, TV, movies, music. I can't imagine what the rich are telling their kids. But I know what the poor is telling theirs, we don't have enough money for that.

I seen a young guy in walmart not long back. He had a shirt on that said: "Make money, not friends." I told my now x girlfriend about it. She laughed, she thought it was funny.

I would say the whole handing a kid a cell phone thing is definitely more of a lazy parent thing than a wealth thing. I know plenty of poverty, or lower, level parents that just hand their kid a table tor phone to keep them busy so they can nap or ignore their kids all together. They let Blippy, Peppa Pig, Ms, Rachel, etc raise their kids and then wonder why they don't listen to them and always go against everything they say.

[Unknownparadox]

I would say the whole handing a kid a cell phone thing is definitely more of a lazy parent thing than a wealth thing. I know plenty of poverty, or lower, level parents that just hand their kid a table tor phone to keep them busy so they can nap or ignore their kids all together. They let Blippy, Peppa Pig, Ms, Rachel, etc raise their kids and then wonder why they don't listen to them and always go against everything they say.

I agree 100%. But it is happening. I have seen people do it, and asked them why. "Oh I just let them see this one thing."

[Unknownparadox]

Well, it really is not funny because for the working and middle classes it's an all out effort to just keep afloat with making money, never mind having time left for friends or family.

I know all about it. I worked a few hours this morning and stopped because of the heat. And I'll work this evening.

[quintessentone]

I know all about it. I worked a few hours this morning and stopped because of the heat. And I'll work this evening.

Yes, this recent heat is preventing me from my jaunts here an there with family, as well as doing yard work.

So now climate change severe weather is also affecting the working class to further make their hardships grow in leaps and bounds.

[Maxmars]

It occurs to me that much of the exposition of this project may be for PsyOp purposes...

Use caution when you vest trust in some information...

Note I didn't say "trust your source"....

Your "sources" can be fooled, fool themselves, mean well but lack information, want to 'add' their feelings to the information, use the information to craft a narrative of their own...

Add the possibility that this is more fodder for the mind-virus makers... and people who 'seek' indiscriminately are their targets.

The icing on the cake is the fact that your most cherished and beloved sources, they could just be wrong.

If you feel yourself getting anxious over the 'implications.'  Consider who it is that is doing the 'implying'... it might help matters...

[quintessentone]

It occurs to me that much of the exposition of this project may be for PsyOp purposes...

Use caution when you vest trust in some information...

Note I didn't say "trust your source"....

Your "sources" can be fooled, fool themselves, mean well but lack information, want to 'add' their feelings to the information, use the information to craft a narrative of their own...

Add the possibility that this is more fodder for the mind-virus makers... and people who 'seek' indiscriminately are their targets.

The icing on the cake is the fact that your most cherished and beloved sources, they could just be wrong.

If you feel yourself getting anxious over the 'implications.'  Consider who it is that is doing the 'implying'... it might help matters...

Facts and people's lived experiences still come through the sources, if one really is looking hard enough and looks elsewhere for consensus.

[Bootless]

It occurs to me that much of the exposition of this project may be for PsyOp purposes...

Use caution when you vest trust in some information...

Note I didn't say "trust your source"....

Your "sources" can be fooled, fool themselves, mean well but lack information, want to 'add' their feelings to the information, use the information to craft a narrative of their own...

Add the possibility that this is more fodder for the mind-virus makers... and people who 'seek' indiscriminately are their targets.

The icing on the cake is the fact that your most cherished and beloved sources, they could just be wrong.

If you feel yourself getting anxious over the 'implications.'  Consider who it is that is doing the 'implying'... it might help matters...

So far, I have satisfied for my own purposes that the EO was written by The Cicero Institute.

The BBB and the DOGE cuts gutted what was in place for aid to States, Counties, and Cities. It is a way to force States to comply with new Federal standards in order to get Federal monies.

Depriving human homeless and vagrants of rights. It's like a step back into the English Poor Laws

Tudor attempts to tackle the problem originated during the reign of Henry VII. In 1495, Parliament passed the Vagabonds and Beggars Act, ordering that "vagabonds, idle and suspected persons shall be set in the stocks for three days and three nights and have none other sustenance but bread and water and then shall be put out of Town. Every beggar suitable to work shall resort to the Hundred where he last dwelled, is best known, or was born and there remain upon the pain aforesaid." Although this returned the burden of caring for the jobless to the communities producing more children than they could employ, it offered no immediate remedy to the problem of poverty; it was merely swept from sight, or moved from town to town. Moreover, no distinction was made between vagrants and the jobless; both were simply categorised as "sturdy beggars", to be punished and moved on.
 
In 1530, during the reign of Henry VIII, a proclamation was issued, describing idleness as the "mother and root of all vices" and ordering that whipping should replace the stocks as the punishment for vagabonds. This change was confirmed in the Vagabonds Act 1530 the following year, with one important change: it directed the justices of the peace to assign to the impotent poor an area within which they were to beg. Generally, the licences to beg for the impotent poor were limited to the disabled, sick, and elderly. An impotent person begging out of his area was to be imprisoned for two days and nights in the stocks, on bread and water, and then sworn to return to the place in which he was authorised to beg. An able-bodied beggar was to be whipped, and sworn to return to the place where he was born, or last dwelt for the space of three years, and there put himself to labour. Still no provision was made, though, for the healthy man simply unable to find work. All able-bodied unemployed were put into the same category. Those unable to find work had a stark choice: starve or break the law. In 1535, a bill was drawn up calling for the creation of a system of public works to deal with the problem of unemployment, to be funded by a tax on income and capital. A law passed a year later allowed vagabonds to be whipped.

I have a memory from long ago. The family were watching a movie of Victorian London days. There were beggars. My sister asked "What are they doing?"

My mother's reply was "Back in the old days, poor people had to beg to get food. But now we have a welfare system that has fixed all that. That's why it's now illegal to beg. That's why you don't see beggars any more."

As smart as my mother was in some respects, she seems to me in retrospect, to have been quite naïve in others.

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I read once that Continental Europeans had a great opportunity to round up their vagrants and sell them to the British because Britain was putting down an insurrection by the American Colonies. I wonder, did some of these involuntary irregular mercenaries escape into the Americas?