Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[Unknownparadox]

I just came across this Youtube video:
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwn2EPKee5Q].
Here is the link to the executive order:
Ending Crime and Disorder on American Streets
It sounds to me like more federally paid, unidentified, masked, armed, bounty hunters will be in our towns right alongside the ones working for mass deportations.

That's the America both sides are working toward. It was democrats that took it to the supreme court, which ruled it's perfectly legal to bust up homeless encampments, and confiscate their belongings. And both sides have been busting them up ever since.

The homeless have come to the realization, it's a hopeless situation. Your choices are. Work for less than enough to get by, and get told what to eat drink and do.(Right to work, championed by republicans, used by democrats to force a vaccine on people, that doesn't vaccinate, or lose your job and every thing you got)  Or live on the street for less than enough to get by. Which working most jobs you might be living on the street anyway.

Democrats wanted to know if you had 600 bucks in your bank account for a year. So they could catch rich tax cheats. Pretty sure the democrats and republican settled on if you spend 10,000 in a year you get reported to the IRS, so they can catch rich tax cheats. With the onslaught of authoritarian laws it's hard to keep up. But that covers every homeless person in America. 

Everyone can't be rich, or even financially secure. You have to have people desperate enough to work for less than enough to live on, so some other people can get obscenely rich. That's why we have all the illegals. They aren't working for me, or anyone I know, because we are all poor. So they must be working for the rich.

There is a easy fix for illegal workers. Fine or tax anyone using illegal labor to the point it isn't profitable to use them. Then you don't have to deport anyone. They will self deport. But if you run the illegals off, you have to replace that cheap labor. So go to work or go to jail, it benefits the rich both ways. If you don't go to work, you will probably will end up in a for profit prison.

The 80/20 rule applies in every economy in the world, that isn't by accident, it is by design. I am not much on religion, but there is one thing the writers of the bible saw even back then. The love of money is the root of all evil.

[Vermilion]

Deporting undocumented immigrants doesn't meaningfully solve affordable housing issues, which stem from your zoning laws, supply shortages, and rising construction costs.

If anything, it's apt to drive the cost of rent/mortgages per calendar month up.

Here’s one example why you’re wrong…
California is giving $150,000 "loans" to illegal migrants that they don't have to repay unless they sell their house.
Do you have any idea what that does to housing market prices?
Have you ever bought or even bid on a house, ever? It doesn’t seem like it.
If 10 million get deported, how many millions of homes will now magically be available?

[KTemplar]

There are many ways people can become homeless.  

I’ve seen it all, and lived through it.  I’ve seen seniors after a hospitalization lose their housing, I’ve seen people living in their cars at my work parking lot.  I always offer them food and advice of safe places to go that I have some knowledge of in my area due to knowing someone who worked at a place that is pretty easily accessible.  At least until the illegals started flooding in.  In my town I hear stories of vets and 20 yr olds in dumpsters.  Which is incredibly sad.

i was left homeless with a 10 yr old when my ex decided he preferred the drug life after having been prescribed Oxy.  I worked for his father and I lost that job as quickly as the lights were getting turned off and tge rent wasn’t paid, not to mention, the selfish A stole thousands from my sons savings account, including savings bonds cashed in (because they have the same name).  Anything I had of value was gone.  Not to mention he was threatening to kill us.  In one day my son lost his father (although that had been building for years ), his cat, his friends, his home, his school-football team, and all sense of normalcy.  

That was the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through.  We stayed at a DV shelter til I could get housing and new work.   That wasn’t easy either.  Every job I applied for I lost because my current residence was a known shelter.   I took a test to work for a surgeon and passed with 100% score.  The recruiter gushed about how nobody ever scored 100%.  She wanted me to come in the next day for an interview, she was giving me directions and when she asked where I lived she quickly stated oh I’m sorry we can’t hire you, it turns out you need more experience.   Her loss, I give 100% no matter where I work.  I managed to eventually find work and rebuild Thank God!

These are the things I know to be true.  IMO a good percentage of homeless suffer from mental illness/drug abuse.  The ones I have known all receive SSDI checks (most have ever or barely paid into it- I never did, I preferred working).  My ex however gets a monthly check so he can party, bring havoc wherever he goes, but his mommy was a nurse and knows many police officers so he always gets off (even after assaulting a nurse), driving into a special needs school bus drunk.  Yet, he can’t even send his son one birthday card or Christmas card, and my taxes help pay for his monthly check.  Disgusting, and this is why I voted for President Trump, because if this bullsh$t isn’t fixed, we are all going to be out here Thunderdoming it with these people!

The mentally ill really need to be institutionalized.  I have an ex sil who gets arrested every 3 months or so for putting people in danger.  Once she was driving on a walking path with a six foot plastic Santa hanging out of one window and a stop sign hanging out of the other.  There were women and children walking on that path.  She was given housing and turned it down (cause she’s crazy), and now is a complete menace to society and driving all over the place doing god knows what.  They only hold her a few days whenever she is hospitalized and we don’t know why?   She’s truly not sane.

Drug addicts need dual diagnosis programs and a community of their own to rebuild and possibly help others.

A portion of them actually need to be in jail, but we all know how the judicial system works now.  What a joke!

Rents are ridiculously high, not enough jobs, purpose.  

We need housing, jobs, and mental health professionals desperately and Jesus!

[Bootless]

Ok this will be my last time posting in this thread since it's clear that many haven't even read the EO. 
(1) Many Homeless are US Citizens that have legal rights so no it shouldn't be anything like those ICE raids on illegals.

(2) Maybe get out more, this homeless issue has spread to many cities in the US. Open drug use, defecation in the streets and in and on store fronts, not to mention the theft that has caused many major businesses to close their doors are rampant. All based around exploiting homeless camps to hide in and abuse the people that need help.

(3) Maybe go talk to a cop before you post junk like that. Most Law Enforcement Officers understand that if the homeless were able to receive the help they need, then crime would go down. 

(4) This EO literally opens the doors to grants that will allow for states to pay for these exact type of programs. Many of these states right now are bitching about the EO though purely based on the fact that these new grants must be fully accounted for so certain states will no longer be able to grift from the HIC. 


Now just so I'm clear here, Bootless, I'm not gripping about you when I say that people are not reading the EO.

Thank you for your contributions, better than some.

1) And some US Citizens have been detained and held incommunicado for days from ICE actions.

2) I am not likely to visit big cities.

3) I wear clothes that are 10-15 years old, on account of being thrifty. As a result, I may look more like a homeless person as opposed to a fine upstanding contributor to society. Cops side eye me, stare, and sometimes slow down and stop their cruisers when they spot me outside.

Our county has a fairly big Mental Health facility, inpatient and outpatient. But there isn't the kind of bed space to accommodate everyone who may benefit from help. That's the sad reality.

4) The doors were already open. Here's a page from 2014 What should be included in the HIC. The programs existed. The will to fund was not, evidently. The EO should be seen in the light of post BBB cuts and DOGE cuts to funding and personnel. It's a slash here and pretend to introduce something that wasn't already in place.

[andy06shake]

Here’s one example why you’re wrong…
California is giving $150,000 "loans" to illegal migrants that they don't have to repay unless they sell their house.
Do you have any idea what that does to housing market prices?
Have you ever bought or even bid on a house, ever? It doesn’t seem like it.
If 10 million get deported, how many millions of homes will now magically be available?

You're talking about a state program helping low-income first-time homebuyers, regardless of immigration status, they get a loan they only repay when they sell the home.

It's not free money, and it's not exclusive to undocumented immigrants.

Saying this crashes the housing market is like blaming a flat tire on the cup holder being sticky.

Housing prices are high because of investor speculation, the low supply of stock, and zoning laws, not because a few thousand poor families got help buying homes.

[quintessentone]

Here’s one example why you’re wrong…
California is giving $150,000 "loans" to illegal migrants that they don't have to repay unless they sell their house.
Do you have any idea what that does to housing market prices?
Have you ever bought or even bid on a house, ever? It doesn’t seem like it.
If 10 million get deported, how many millions of homes will now magically be available?

I read somewhere that California is the 4th richest economy in the world - IN THE WORLD - they can afford to be a sanctuary city and keep and help those that give back to the economy.

It does not matter how many homes become available, the wealthy will quickly swoop in and overbid to get those assets.

[KTemplar]

I read somewhere that California is the 4th richest economy in the world - IN THE WORLD - they can afford to be a sanctuary city and keep and help those that give back to the economy.

It does not matter how many homes become available, the wealthy will quickly swoop in and overbid to get those assets.

That is interesting and not surprising.  How pathetic humans have become to each other over greed and selfishness!

[andy06shake]

I read somewhere that California is the 4th richest economy in the world - IN THE WORLD - they can afford to be a sanctuary city and keep and help those that give back to the economy.

It does not matter how many homes become available, the wealthy will quickly swoop in and overbid to get those assets.

This simply drives up the cost of rent for surrounding properties, sometimes astronomically so. 

Meaning a lot of poor sods who occupy such, and may have lived, or rented there all their days, are no longer able to foot the bill come rent day.

And thus they become homeless and evicted, perpetuating what appears to be a never-ending cycle. 

Happening all over the world, to be honest with you.

The reason being the cost of living is nowhere in line with inflation, or so im led to believe.

[Maxmars]

If exploitation were limited to commerce, it can be addressed...

(I cry for true journalism....
weep for it's absence...)

We need to keep this problem away from government solutions.

We always needed to help those in need...

Enter exploitation...
not only by us...
but obviously, by them as well...

For one to stop, so must the other.

Some solutions, aren't.

[Bootless]

(I cry for true journalism....
weep for it's absence...)

Speaking of journalism, I re-read the NPR article that was linked on the video page. Amid record homelessness, a Texas think tank tries to upend how states tackle it
The question in my mind was "Just exactly who is it that writes these executive orders?" Not Trump, obviously. They never say who wrote them.

Quoting the article:

Florida is among a handful of states that has passed tougher laws on homelessness in recent years — including Kentucky and Texas — and lawmakers in about a dozen states have debated such legislation. Most all of them are taking guidance from the lobbying arm of a conservative Texas-based think tank, which aims to upend homelessness policies that have had bipartisan support for two decades.
The Cicero Institute was founded by billionaire tech entrepreneur Joe Lonsdale, whose data mining products have been used by the CIA, the U.S. immigration agency, and local police departments. He derides a "homeless industrial complex," accusing advocates of prolonging the problem so they can keep their jobs.

Who is Joe Lansdale?

Joseph Lonsdale (born 1982 or 1983)[sup][1][/sup] is an American entrepreneur and venture capitalist. He co-founded companies including Palantir Technologies, Addepar, and OpenGov, and co-founded and serves as the managing partner at the technology investment firm 8VC.
Lonsdale began his career as an intern at PayPal, then worked as an early executive at Clarium Capital, a hedge fund run by Lonsdale's mentor, Peter Thiel. In 2004, he, Thiel, Alex Karp, Stephen Cohen, and Nathan Gettings co-founded Palantir Technologies, a data mining and defense technology company. Lonsdale left Palantir in 2009 and co-founded Addepar, a wealth management technology company. Lonsdale co-founded the venture capital firm Formation 8 in 2011, and another called 8VC in 2015.

Peter Thiel was his mentor and co-founder of Palantir. Interesting! Data mining and AI targeting of people to kill. That's Palantir's claim to fame.

What can I say? This is a conspiracy theory site after all.

The likely answer is that the EO was written in the legal dept of The Cicero Institute. Outfits that Thiel and Lonsdale own are raking in big bucks from state and local grants, and now they will score big federal grants.