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(08-18-2025, 03:55 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Don't attribute your false narrative to me or put words in my mouth.
Suspended elections?
They are at War.
And occupied.
They been at war since 2014. Zelensky was elected in 2019
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(08-18-2025, 03:24 PM)xuenchen Wrote: What gives it away is the inserted flag colors are 10x more vivid than everything else. 
and the businessinsider article suggests it's fake 
Yeah, i did try and find multiple different sources, story-wise.
It's an unverified video.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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Quote:European leaders speak in support of Zelenskyy during Trump talks
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(08-18-2025, 04:06 PM)Unknownparadox Wrote: They been at war since 2014. Zelensky was elected in 2019
So, when did Putin launch his full scale invasion?
As in, War?
Another Putin apologist.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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08-18-2025, 04:27 PM
This post was last modified: 08-18-2025, 04:31 PM by putnam6. 
(08-18-2025, 03:57 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Sounds like we "up to snuff".
Respectfully, if NATO/Europe were up to snuff, none of this would have happened #1, and if it did, you wouldn't need Uncle Sam to pat and hold your hand and tell you it's going to be OK... AS ALWAYS
Why can Ukraine put together an army on the fly, and NATO Europe and the UK are useless except for the US bases' proximity to Russia
Quote:Without NATO backing, the UK would face considerable challenges in a war against Russia alone. Its advanced military technology and strategic positioning could initially hold off Russian advances, but the lack of allied support, combined with Russia's larger military and economic endurance, would likely tilt the balance in Russia's favor over time. The economic fallout and potential for escalation would further complicate the UK's position.
Historical Context and Budget Constraints- Post-Cold War Drawdown: After the Cold War, many Western countries, including the UK, reduced military spending due to the perceived diminished threat. This led to a significant reduction in the size and capability of the UK armed forces.
- Budget Cuts: Over the years, the UK has faced budget constraints that have impacted military readiness. For instance, defense spending as a percentage of GDP has fluctuated, with periods of decline before recent increases. The 2025 Strategic Defence Review under Prime Minister Keir Starmer aims to address some of these issues by increasing defense spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2027, with a goal of reaching 3%.
Manpower and Equipment- Manpower Shortages: The UK has experienced challenges in recruiting and retaining personnel. As of recent reports, the British Army is below its target strength, with efforts underway to increase recruitment through initiatives like the Future Soldier program.
- Equipment and Modernization: While the UK has advanced technology, such as the F-35 jets and the SSN-AUKUS submarine program, there have been delays and cost overruns in major projects. The modernization efforts are ongoing, but the pace and scale of these updates have been criticized.
Operational Commitments- Overstretch: The UK has been involved in numerous international operations, from Iraq and Afghanistan to more recent engagements in counter-terrorism and support for Ukraine. These commitments have stretched resources thin, affecting training and readiness.
- Focus on Expeditionary Warfare: The UK's military strategy has leaned towards expeditionary warfare, which requires a different set of capabilities compared to large-scale conventional warfare against a peer adversary like Russia.
Comparative Analysis- NATO Commitments: The UK meets NATO's 2% GDP defense spending target, but this is often compared unfavorably to countries like the U.S., which spends significantly more in absolute terms. However, the UK's military is highly capable within its tier, focusing on quality over quantity.
- Russian Military: Russia's military, while larger, has its own challenges, including corruption and logistical issues, as seen in the Ukraine conflict. The UK's military, though smaller, is technologically advanced and well-integrated with NATO.
Public and Political Perception- Public Opinion: There is a perception among some that the UK military is not as strong as it once was, influenced by media reports and political discourse. This can be misleading, as the military's role has evolved, focusing more on rapid response and technological superiority rather than mass mobilization.
- Political Priorities: Defense has sometimes been deprioritized in favor of other public services, reflecting broader societal and political debates about national priorities.
Recent Developments- Strategic Defence Review 2025: This review calls for a shift to "warfighting readiness," with investments in long-range weapons, advanced air-defense systems, and potential nuclear-sharing schemes. These measures aim to address some of the perceived weaknesses and enhance the UK's military posture.
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08-18-2025, 04:34 PM
This post was last modified: 08-18-2025, 04:37 PM by Oldcarpy2. 
Putnam6 wrote:
"Why can Ukraine put together an army on the fly, and NATO Europe and the UK are useless except for the US bases' proximity to Russia".
Because they are NATO bases FFS?
God, the hating on the UK and Europe is seriously suspect.
Remember, Putin blamed this on NATO on it's borders?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(08-17-2025, 01:09 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Yeah Montgomery, tell me about all those successful Ukrainian counteroffensives
FFS Ukraine would need 5 times the offensive counterattack results they territorial reclaimation they have accomplished so far... 5 times!!! 3 years minimum, and lets remember most of the territory regained was likely a feint by Russia, they invaded everywhere towards Kyiv knowing they could always fall back to the territories occupied now.
REALITY not fantasy, Ukraine doesn't have the man power nor the actual battle plans to take back the territory and Im tired pretending we can spend to a military victory for Ukraine.
If we could, I gladly would do so.
It's not feasible, LOL nobody has a plan either...
But yeah, let's send billions more
I thought Trumps plan had more to do with sanctions, no?
That falls in line with Groks assessment.
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(08-18-2025, 03:55 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Don't attribute your false narrative to me or put words in my mouth.
Suspended elections?
They are at War.
And occupied.
Ok? Yet there President can fly around the world.
Quote:Miss Ukraine 2024 is Maria Melnychenko, elected in a glittering event held in Kyiv in December.
https://www.missworld.com/news/miss-world-ukraine-2024
Or they can elect a beauty queen?
seems pretty frivolous.
How would you achieve peace in the Ukraine to stop destruction of a generation between two countries?
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(08-18-2025, 04:34 PM)IDELB2006 Wrote: I thought Trumps plan had more to do with sanctions, no?
That falls in line with Groks assessment.
Yeah, but...TACO.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(08-18-2025, 04:26 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: So, when did Putin launch his full scale invasion?
As in, War?
Another Putin apologist. You seem to have a attitude problem. Let me explain something to you. I don't like trump, or putin, and I am fast not liking you. But that has zip zero notta to do with facts. I gave you facts, in light of those facts you attack me. And the last invasion was a full scale invasion. That's why he owns Crimea now.
The last invasion got zip zero notta military equipment from us. And that was just perfectly fine then. So it is just perfectly fine now. I support not supporting any war. Especially one that can end the existence of humans. Not that I am fond of humans. Since most are like you. Anytime they get a fact they dislike, they go on the attack.
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